Family from Skeagh

Thank you both for your suggestions. I had only a brief stay in Cavan but I did go to the Genealogy Centre and they gave me some information. I didn't find out anything about who owns the properties now.

Ambrose's widow Margaret went to Scotland with George, her son by Ambrose, and with Henry, Ambrose's son by his first marriage to Fanny Tremble. Henry seems to have taken over Ambrose's job as estate manager. They went to Dundee where Margaret's daughter by her first marriage, Maggie Trainor, was living with her husband, Robert McCullogh. Scotland's People is a very useful website because you can get the certificates on line.

I hope I can get back to Ireland for a longer stay some year soon!

Best wishes

Eileen

Thanks Carmel. You are right, I started looking at my Irish roots then got into genealogy in a big way!

There's still quite a few unanswered questions around Margaret Forsythe, but I have found no evidence of a Catholic connection. Margaret Ann Kelly was born abt. 1844, probably in Cavan, the daughter of William Kelly. She married Hugh Henry Trainer (spelling varies) in Baileborough in 1870. He had joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1866, at the time giving his birth as 1846 in Antrim. Soon after the marriage, Hugh and Margaret moved to England and on 23 June 1870 he joined the Manchester police, and his record notes he had previously served 3y 6m in the RIC and 6m with the Chester police.In 1871 in Manchester they had a daughter, Mary, who lived only a few months, and in 1875 Hugh died in Birkenhead, Cheshire, and Margaret presumably returned to Ireland, marrying Ambrose in January 1879 in Knockbride.

The birth of Margaret Jane (Maggie) Trainer is a bit of a mystery. According to the 1901 Irish census, she was born in 1876 in Manchester, but on the 1911 Scottish census she gives her birthplace as Ireland in 1872. Either way, I can find no record for it. Old Ambrose was very fond of Maggie and paid for her to train in domestic science in Dublin, and by all accounts she was a very good cook. She married Robert McCullogh in 1908 in Baillieborough, and he was described as a farmer from Derrydamph, Cavan, but was thought to be of Scottish origin. By 1910 Maggie and Robert were in Dundee, where Robert was a dairyman, possibly in a family business, and he and Maggie both died in Dundee.

According to family gossip, Ambrose's marriage to Margaret was not well recieved by his older children and that his why several of them came to Australia (the alternative version is that he sent his older sons away because they were closer in age to Margaret than he was!). Apparently his Will caused strife in the family, but we have no details of it.

Few of Ambrose's many children (about 17) had children themselves, and as far as I can tell, there are not many descendants apart from me and my immediate cousins.

Best wishes

Eileen 

Thanks Carmel. You are right, I started looking at my Irish roots then got into genealogy in a big way!

There's still quite a few unanswered questions around Margaret Forsythe, but I have found no evidence of a Catholic connection. Margaret Ann Kelly was born abt. 1844, probably in Cavan, the daughter of William Kelly. She married Hugh Henry Trainer (spelling varies) in Baileborough in 1870. He had joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1866, at the time giving his birth as 1846 in Antrim. Soon after the marriage, Hugh and Margaret moved to England and on 23 June 1870 he joined the Manchester police, and his record notes he had previously served 3y 6m in the RIC and 6m with the Chester police.In 1871 in Manchester they had a daughter, Mary, who lived only a few months, and in 1875 Hugh died in Birkenhead, Cheshire, and Margaret presumably returned to Ireland, marrying Ambrose in January 1879 in Knockbride.

The birth of Margaret Jane (Maggie) Trainer is a bit of a mystery. According to the 1901 Irish census, she was born in 1876 in Manchester, but on the 1911 Scottish census she gives her birthplace as Ireland in 1872. Either way, I can find no record for it. Old Ambrose was very fond of Maggie and paid for her to train in domestic science in Dublin, and by all accounts she was a very good cook. She married Robert McCullogh in 1908 in Baillieborough, and he was described as a farmer from Derrydamph, Cavan, but was thought to be of Scottish origin. By 1910 Maggie and Robert were in Dundee, where Robert was a dairyman, possibly in a family business, and he and Maggie both died in Dundee.

According to family gossip, Ambrose's marriage to Margaret was not well recieved by his older children and that his why several of them came to Australia (the alternative version is that he sent his older sons away because they were closer in age to Margaret than he was!). Apparently his Will caused strife in the family, but we have no details of it.

Few of Ambrose's many children (about 17) had children themselves, and as far as I can tell, there are not many descendants apart from me and my immediate cousins.

Best wishes

Eileen 

Hi Eileen, I have some information on Margaret Anne (Kelly), (Traynor),Forsythe.  William Kelly is with Margaret A. Forsythe on the 1901 census, listed as her father, and her daughter Maggie Trainer is also recorded with them.

William Kelly farmed in Lisdonan Townland, Knockbride Parish before he retired. He had  another daughter, Mary Kelly, who married Isaiah Lynn, who was a policeman. Isaiah Lynn of Lisdonan was an executor of Ambrose Forsythe's will in 1896. They would have been brothers -in-law.

In 1890 William Kelly of Lisdonan sent a letter to Jane Wilson in Canada. In the letter he tells them how he had lost his wife Mary and 3 of his grandchildren over a period of several months.

I am not sure if this is of interest to you, but if you want it I could e-mail a transcription of the William kelly letter?

John

Dear John

Thank you for your message. I would be interested to see details of the letter you refer to. If you want to send it privately, my email is elclark[at]westnet[dot]com[dot]au

I'm still hoping to get back to Ireland some time in the not too distant future.

Meanwhile, many thanks

Eileen

Hullo all, I'm adding some information to this old post but unsure if anyone is still following it.
George and Eliza Forsythe were my grandparents, and Emily Violet their daughter in in 1911 Census was my Auntie. I'm from Dundee, Scotland. Auntie Emily and dad are both deceased but my cousin George sent me her a copy of her birth certificate to make sure that I was looking at the correct family. My dad was also named Ambrose Forsythe and he had 4 sisters including Emily all of which have passed on as well. I've never heard the name Henry but there are or were a lot of Trainers in Dundee when I was growing up, I'm no longer in the area.
I've just started this journey of looking into my family history and would love to hear more information if it's available.
Have a great day..

Hello  SusieQ  I have some information on this family. If you can contact me by email wilney(at)hotmail(dot)ca