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ditcher tho(mas) dyther tullabrack and mayo drumgoon cavan or skerrig skerry drumgoon

CavanDrumgoon (Cavan)

it seems there are two books for drumgoon parish county of cavan 

1828 tithe applotments first book county down drumgooland townland tullabrack tho ditcher on further searching the book where thomas ditcher name is written i discover the heading at the top of the page is diocese of kilmore parish of drumgoon county of cavan and i was wondering if the above named thom ditcher was here in 1828 rather than county down any assistance with this matter would be appreciated and any news on thomas dycher and his family

the second book

1828 tithe applotment second book county down parish drumgooland townland tullabrack but on reading the book it says diocese of kilmore parish of drumgoon county cavan townland tullabrick thos dyther  

1829 may 24th baptism anne to thomas dacher and cath mcgrarby tullibrick

1829 august 28th marraige john walker of this parish to mary dacher likewise of this parish banns 28th day of august 1829 george kirkpatrick curate john walker and mary dacher in the presence of thomas dicher and owen walker------------there is a tentative possibility that this mary is the mary deecher at fall river ma usa but this has to be confirmed that she was living with john walker  

1831 thomas deacher of this parish and catherine magaritty of this parish pub of banns 8th day of june 1832 june 8th thomas dicher x and catherine magarity x wm porter x  

1835 june 23rd joseph dicher of this parish and rebacca quin of this parish pub of banns this twenty third day of june 1835 joseph dicher and rebecca quin presence of michael maguire and thomas dicher 

1837 december 17th baptism alice to joseph and rebecca dicher abode mayo farmer 

1841 july 25th mayo alice to joseph and rebecca deacher weaver 

1844 birth february 1st baptism february 11th rebekah to joseph and rebeka deacher mayo farmer 

1846 may 30th burial parish of drumgoone townland zemayo rebecca dycher aged 40  

???? april 16th burial skeries anna dacher age 64

1851 february birth james decher see 1900 federal census for essex county massachusetts 

1857 may 16th petty sessions order books csps 1/3141 no 527 1857 16 may parties complainants and defendants rose mckeon tullibrick complainant 1st john cosgrove 2nd pat cosgrove 3rd thos dycher tullybrick defendants cause of complaint set forth in summons forcibly carrying away a chest and sundry other articles and is illegally keeping same at tullibrick on 15th feb 

1857 griffiths valuation county cavan barony of tullgarvey union cootehill parish drumgoon townland skerrig placename skerrig but written skerry listed at plot 10

10 tenant thomas deneher landlord richard coote minor house office lands 7a 3r 8p £5;00;00 + £0;15s;00=£5;15s;00

on looking at the name i thought it first looked like deucher and i am wondering are the 1828 and 1857 records telling me details about the same man thomas ditcher thomas deucher thomas deneher

1859 november 17th in the landed (lately encumbered) estate court Ireland counties of Leitrim cavan and monaghan in the matter of the estate of Richard coote esquire owner and petitioner and in the matter of the estate of Richard coote esquire owner and petitioner rental and particulars of the fee simple estates of the owner in this matter situate in the baronies of tullygarvey carrigallen and cremorne and counties of Leitrim cavan & monaghan which the landed estates court will sell by auction as stated in the annexed rental in 44 lots at the court no 14 henrietta street Dublin on Thursday the 17th day of november 1859 at the hour of 12 oclock at noon  proposals for all or any of the above lots will be received by the solicitor having the carriage of the sale up to the 24th day of october 1859 and submitted to the honorable judge dobbs for rentals and information respecting said estates apply at the court of the judges of the landed estates court no 14 henrietta street Dublin to william murray esquire glenburn rockcorry agent to the estates or to james dudgeon solicitor having carriage of sale no 11 herbert place Dublin    Dublin printed by w Kirkwood 33 gt Brunswick street   descriptive particulars this estate is held in fee simple each lot is subject to the quit rent stated at foot thereof on rental lots 4 to 15 form a compact and valuable estate  those townlands are in the parish of drumgoon and county of cavan are all from two to three and a half miles of the town of cootehill and from four to six miles of the town of ballibay where there is a station of the Dundalk and Enniskillen railway   a branch from this line is in course of construction to cootehill with a station at rockcorry thus placing every part of cavan and monaghan estates a short distance of a railway station   contents of rental page of rental 25 no of lot 15 denomination tullybrick estimated contents in statute measure 209 acres 2 rood 32 perch gross rent £154 10s 2d outgoings being quit rent and tithe rent charge £8 10s 6 ¾d not annual profit rent £145 19s 7 1/2d  Griffiths valuation £133 19s 0d   lot no 15 no 12 townland or denomination tullybrick or tullybricke baony of tullygarvey parish of drumgoon county of cavan tenants name thomas dycher gale days 1st may and 1st nov yearly rent £5;0s;10d estimated quantity of land statute measure 7 acres 3 rood 18 perch date and description of instrument (if any) under which the tenant holds and the tenure of each tenant tenant from year to year tenancy commencing 1st day of november in each year      james dudgeon solicitor having carriage of sale no 11 herbert place Dublin  

1861 july 6th petty sessions order book csps 1/3146 judges william murray and j r Mansfield egan parties complainant and defendant Robert Jordan of contuber highland street complainant and thomas dycher of tullibrick defendant cause of complaint defendant is indebted to complainant in the sum of 3s/3d for county cess due on his holding at tullybrick and laid on at spring assizes 1861   

1900 june 11th federal census for essex county massachusetts lawrence city ward 3 page 213a 146-225 occupants decher james age 49 m-20 feb 1851 bp ire occupation wool sorter father mother birth place ire immigrated 1871 29yr in the us               margaret 48 m-20 may 1852 ire 1 of 1 child living ire ire immigration 1870 30 yr in the us                william 13 aug 1886 ma ire ire 

1910 united states census james deacher lawrence ward 3 essex massachusetts male married white self immigration year 1871 birthplace ireland fathers birthplace ireland mothers birthplace ireland household id 208 page 11  household   gender   age   birthplace     self james deacher m 57 ireland  wife margaret deacher f 59 ireland      son william deacher m 22 massachusetts 

1911 june 9th death cavan thomas deacher 89

1911 september 13th court at salem in said county mass usa james deacher of Lawrence county of essex mass usa his lawful and only brother him surviving who by instrument in writing dated 12th sept 1911 has appointed Charles murphy of cootehill his solicitor whereas thomas deacher late of cootehill in the county of cavan labourer died on the ninth day of june 1911 at cootehill aforesaid a bachelor and intestate leaving james deacher of Lawrence in the county of essex state of massachusets united states of America his lawful brother and next of kin him surviving 12th day of September 1911 signed james deacher court of salem in said county 13th September 1911  

1911 october 11th thomas deacher 89 11 oct 1911 administration of the estate of thomas deacher late of cootehill county cavan no occup??? Who died 9 june 1911 granted at cavan to Charles Edward murphy solicitor effects £24;11s;8d limited     deacher thomas 1911 probate cavan cootehill 11;10;1911 cootehill co cavan bachelor no occupation 9th june 1911 aged 73 £24;11s;8d post office cootehill tullygarvey bachelor      

1920 united states census name james derchear lawrence city ward 2 essex masachusetts gender male age 68 martial status married race white birthplace ireland birth year est 1852 relation to head of household self household id 261 sheet number 12 gs household  gender  age  birthplace   self james derchear m 68y ireland      wife margaret derchear f 68y ireland 

1930 federal census for essex county massacusetts lawrence city sheet 13b 303 deacher james 80 nire   nire  nire   margaret 80 nire nire 

searching for information on this deacher family 

william dunne

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Hi William, I would agree, it looks like Tullybrick, Co Cavan, which is not too far from me, but I have never heard of the name Ditcher or any of its variations, I looked up the national archives in 1901 & there is no relevant family there.  However I dont recognise any of the family names there & at the bottom of the page in pencil it looks like "Antrim rent book", perhaps I am mistaken, could the landlord have property in both places & perhaps he was recycling his books, have you searched the griffiths valuation at http://www.askaboutireland.ie, i searched the name & it did not come up so perhaps search for the townland, drumgooland, co down & view the occupants.

 

I hope I have been of help & please come back & let me know how you got on & if you have further proof of persuing co Cavan please let me know.

 

Best wishes in your searches, Carmel O'Callaghan 

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

carmel 

thanks for telling me that so i went and checked it out and i have found my man and he is in cavan great news and he is from tullybrick just down the road from you and i know you can find out this mans history or story for me!!!!  

it goes like this i checked griffiths valuation and looked up drumgoon cavan and tullybrick and at number 10 on the list i found thomas deneher but on looking at it first i thought it was deucher and on magnifying it -it turns out to look more like deuecher which is close to dycher for me and the following information 

10 thomas deneher richard coote minor house office land 7 acres 3 rood 18 perch land £5;00;00 building £0;15;0 total £5;15s;00d 

and it seems the whole page is from tullybrick as most names match up with tithes applotments book 

which i need to ask you what is the w before his name in the tithe applotment book is it widower it seems there was quite a few in tullybrick widowers and widows that is 

and that antrim rent book that you saw at the end of the page i had a look and reckon it is     got in rent book    as the whole page has light pencil figures in the margin from the original black ink used for the names area and rent charges 

so the last thing i may ask you who is the landlord richard coote minor is he a cavan man and are there any rents books to look up around cavan or are they archived someplace else

thanks again for your assistance and look forward to the help of the cavan parishes in tracking this thomas down 

william dunne

Hi William,

Sorry, but I was looking up Tullybrick in Shercock, anyway yes I see your man in Griffiths, Tullybrick in Drumgoon, which is Cootehill, which is called after Mr Coote & his family, see attached link

no idea what the w means, I dont think it is widow/widower, it may be some sort of a reference/check mark by who ever is calling off the payments, perhaps the initial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Coote,_1st_Earl_of_Bellomont

The Cootes are no longer landlords

 

What name are you searching?  is it Ditcher or Deneher

I searched the 1901 Census & there are 24 Denehers in Co Cavan & they are clustered in a few areas.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=19…

Patrick Cassidy giving a lecture in Cootehill on Lord Belamont, I dont know if he knows anything about Rent Books, but I will send a message to Cootheill Library to see if they know anything , I will let you know when I hear from them..

Regards Carmel

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi William,

 CavanLibrary have a small rent roll on Bellamont estate for 1702, and   did not see anything for Ditcher  or Deneher. Griffiths is around 150 years later. That?s all that they have on Bellamont. They think there is material in the National Library on Bellamont Estate.  If you need more info, perhaps contact National Library, though I think to search for free you need to go there, but ask them anyway..

 

Regards Carmel

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

carmel 

i am searching for dycher sometimes spelt dicher or deecher and its root is from ditcher 

but the deneher in griffiths when looked at closely on the printed page could be deucher which phoenetically can be pronounced  dycher in that broad cavan accent that you possess up there

so if you find any other written records on deneher dycher dicher deecher ditcher from cavan let me know by return and if cootehill library have any additional information i will be glad to hear back from you 

william dunne

carmel 

for the record 

1828 county down parish drumgooland townland drumrooghill but when the written document is looked at it states diocese of kilmore parish of drumgoon county of cavan drumroohill 

which i think in 1857 becomes county cavan barony tullygarvey union cootehill parish drumgoon townland drumrooghill sheet no 17 

which in 1901 becomes county cavan poor law union cootehill district electoral division east cavan barony tullygarvey parish drumgoon townland drumrooghill 

hope this helps the cavan ireland xo parishes teams

william dunne

Thanks William, you have a better handle on places than I have.  Regards Carmel

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

William, 

Is he in the 1911 Census? I have browsed some of the townlands but cant identify anything that seems like him.  You could send a letter to the Anglo Celt addressed to the editor,  linda@anglocelt.ie put in a phone number as I find people will ring you rather than emailing, you would get a greater audience than here.

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

 

 

 

 

 

Hello 

I live in Skerrig 3 miles from COOTEHILL 

I sent you a message in 2015 but you mustn't of got it 

I have DEMPSEY ancestors my great grandmother and also my grandmother. There are still at least 4 Dempsey families in this area

THE walker house still stands but Walkers left this area around 1920 I see an old post on another website a lady looking for Walkers back in 2003 I did send her a reply 2015 but I never heard anything back her branch of Walkers moved to Australia but she's on the right track as she mentions Tullybrick MAYO AND Cootehill in her post  

I have never known who Denehers / Dechers ??? are they are not here now. There are still many Dempseys in this area . I have a lot of information a Dempsey relative of mine did a family tree many years ago.  There was a Henry Dempsey living in Skerrig in 1878 I have not been able to prove he is related to me Yet. he had 6 sons that I know of I have all their names .. I would have Cosgrove relations also they lived in Tullybrick. 

Tullybrick and Mayo are our bordering townlands. 

If you need information let me know 

Best Regards 

Sadie Markey 

 

Sarah m

sarah thanks currently i have just posted this message on a monaghan site

6. DYKER is a name largely confined to the same Northeast region of Scotland that the Duke of Perth, the Scottish landlord who owned the land the family tenanted in County Monaghan, came from    

if nobody gets back to me i will follow up later with u thanks again                                                                       

 

william dunne

 

Liam 

As per my other reply you can let me know if you need any further help.

If I find out any other useful info I will post it to site 

Best Regards 

Sarah M ( SADIE )

Sarah m

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