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Charles Mone and Anne Hughes/Mone

ArmaghKeady (Armagh)

Dia duit,

My great grandparentstraceback to Mullyard and Keady Armagh. I have some info of them, such as the 1901 and 1911 Census and their possible baptsm records from the Derrynoose Parish Parochial Registers. Charles Moan(later recorded as Mone) was born around 1835 and Anne was born around.1836. Records for them after 1911 Census cease to exist. I'm trying to find any other records for them such as voter rolls or death records but have been unsuccessful.

Our family has an old newspaper photo of Charles sitting on a rock pile at a quarry near Keady. The photo caption stated,"Charlie Mone, the veteran stone-breaker employed by the Armagh County Council at their quarries, New Holland, Keady, County Armagh. Charlie, as he is familiarly known, will be 96 years old next November. For the past 26 years he has never had a days illness, and has not missed a single hour from his pitch in the quarry during that time." By reviewing the back of the photo I was able to narrow down the date of publication to Tuesday, 27 March 1923, but had no idea whether it was an American or Irish newspaper.

Ireland XO recently gave me a boost by providing a website for English newspaper archives. So, I took a chance on the Belfast Telegraph and found the photo along with 6 or 7 other photos of interest on page 10. This was a big find and I want to thank you for pointing me in that direction.

At the same time I'm asking for some advise. Family rumor leads us to believe he lived to be around 104 years of age, largely based on the write up included with the newspaper photo. This does not agree with 1901 and 1911 Census record, so I'd like to track his death date down as well as Annie Hughes.

If anyone has any ideas for future research please let me know.

Thank you,

Patrick Mone

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I wouldn't place too much reliance on ages in Irish censuses. Most people born in the 1800s didn't celebrate birthdays and had little idea of their real age. Many ages on censuses are just guesses. Likewise on death certificates where the age was just the informant's best guess. For someone in their 60 or 70s an error of 10 years or more wouldn't be unusual. And if appearing in a newspaper article it's possible that there might have been some exaggeration about your age.

I see a possible death for Charles Mone on 2.3.1925 aged 78, registered in Armagh (which includes Keady). Have you looked at that?

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn,

No I have not checked that. Is it an online source? 

This is most likely my Great Grandfather.

In 2007 I requested a search from the General Register Office, Belfast, NI, for record of his death. On 29 January 2007, I received a letter from Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency which states the following: Dear Sir/Madam, In replay to your application of 22 January 2007, I have to state that a search has been made of the death of CHARLES MONE but no entry has been found in Records corresponding with particulars in your application. The period searched was 1926-1930 inclusive.  There are various reasons why no entry may have been found. Some are as follows:- The information on the application was inacurate. The event did not take place in Northern Ireland. The event is not registered...   

Looks like I missed it by not including the year 1925.

Just to be sure of the correct date, do you mean February 3, 1925, or March 2, 1925?

Thanks for your quick response.

Pat Mone

patrick.mone47…

Pat,

Yes the record is on-line. You can view the original certificate on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.Assuming it;s the correct certificate it should tell you whether his wife was still alive and so you will then know whether ot search for her death before or after his.

 

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn

Thanks for the information. Yes, It was the death record for my my great grandfather, as reported by his daughter. He was recorded as a widow, so I was able to find the death registration for my great Grandmother, and great Aunt as well.

Is there a reason why some records are found only at General Registrars Office, while others are only found RootsIreland.ie?

Pat Mone

 

patrick.mone47…

Pat,

Yes. Ireland was partitioned in 1922. So the records after that, for what is now Northern Ireland, are kept separately from those for the Republic of Ireland.

Up to 31.12.1921 the records for all parts of Ireland are on rootsireland and also on irishgenealogy.ie . (There are some restrictions on birth records under 100 years old but in general most of the records are there). From 1.1.1922 onwards there are two sets of records, one for each jurisdiction.

If you are researching your family in the Newry area after 1922, the only place that holds the relevant birth, death & marriage records is GRONI in Belfast.

 

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn,

Thanks for clearing that up. I will have to check out the irishgenealogy.ie web site.

I do have one other question. When looking at the actual death citation, on the GRNO site, there are no definition of columns. Most are easily distinguished, but I'm a little confused about the second column, right after the registration number. It looks like it should be the date, but there is also other info also. On two of the four I reviewed, it stated the date and Victoria Street M. D.; another gave the date and listed Victoria Street, Keady; the last gave the date and Main Street, Keady. I know there are Victoria and Mains Streets in Keady, but two of these citations lead me to believe the doctor's name was Victoria Street. Would you have any info on that?

Pat  

patrick.mone47…

Pat,

Column no 2 is “date & place of death”.

If there was a doctor present – and that wasn’t always the case - their details would appear in column 9, not in column 2. I am not sure what you are reading in column 2 but it isn’t the doctor’s name. Could it be RD for Rural District? If you can take an image of one of the certificates that’s baffling you, and attach it here, I’ll do my best to interpret it.

Incidentally, if someone died away from their normal residence, then the place of death will appear in column 2, and their normal residence will be underneath their name in column 3. If there’s only an address in column 2, then you can assume that’s where they normally lived.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn,

The GRONI will not allow me to take an image.

I think you've pretty much cleared it up for me. On my GGrandfather, Charles Mone, record, column 9 states: "Bridget Myler, daughter, present at death, New Holland, Keady," while column 2 states: "1925 Second March, Victoria Street M. D." I'm going to interpret that he normally lived in New Holland, Keady but passed away at a residence on Victoria Street, Keady.

Go raibh Maith agat!

Pat 

patrick.mone47…

Pat,

I don’t agree with your interpretation. Column 9 is the informant’s name and address. Column 2 is the place the deceased died. And in this case it was also where he resided. If he had resided somewhere else that would appear under his name in column 3. From what you have said it’s blank, so therefore he lived and died in Victoria St.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn,

Okay, I think I get it now. So, Charles Mone was living on Victoria Street, Keady when he died. His daughter, Bridget Myler, was present at death, and she resides at New Holland, Keady.

I was able to review a death cert on Irishgenealogy.ie and now understand the column description.

I'm attaching Charles Mone's  death record, as I transcribed it, for your review.

Thanks for sticking with me on this.

Pat

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