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Cartmill Thomas and Roseanne Kilmore

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My sister and I will be travelling to Armagh in late August this year. We were hoping to get as close as possible to where our great grandparents lived. They were married on the 13th January 1853, Kilmore church and set sail for Australia on 17th March the same year. They were Thomas Cartmill and Roseanne McMahon, as per their marriage certificate Thomas' father was also Thomas and a mason by trade, Roseanne 's father was Richard a weaver by trade as was Thomas jnr. They were living at Mullaletragh and Ballylaney. Now as per the Griffith valuations a Thomas was living at Mullaletragh/Kilmore 20a and b/b and was immediate Lessee of 20Ab and c, but I noticed on the old map that there was a place called Field Mount. This is what they called our property when they settled on the north coast of NSW (which we still occupy), which makes me think they must have had something to do with this area!
Confirmation of where you think they lived would be fantastic and if we would be able to have access to this place, or even maybe with a name of current owners, or a location on a current map.also if there are any gravestones we would be able to visit, as we have drawn a blank with either of their parents.
On their shipping log it states thomas's parents Thomas and Sarah both deceased and Roseanne's Richard and Rachael living in Kilmore.

I also noted there was Cartmill's at Keady, I'm not sure if this line is also from ours!

Thank you very much. Any help at all appreciated.

I will be posting about my husband's family soon, also Cartmill's of Grange Blundell.

Maree Cartmill Brown

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Dear Maree

Welcome to Ireland Reaching out and apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

There is a Griffith's Valuation entry for a Thomas  Cartmill in Kilmore in 1864. Could this be Thomas' father I wonder? Cartmill would not be a very common name. There is a map that accompanies the entry but the maps are not an entirely accurate reflection of the entries. The maps are about a decade later than the entry and so there is a bit of a mismatch. You can read more about it here. RC parish records for that parish begin in 1834. 

Anyway, it gives you a townland area to focus on which is Mullaletragh. If you go to the PRONI website you can check the Revision Books to see if there was a rate paid on the land up to the 1930/40s. You can learn more first here.

Hope this is of some help to you. I have added two map attachment below showing the townland.

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

IrelandXO member

Thank you very much Clare, I can't open the attachments but if they are the Griffith's Valuation maps I do have them. I joined another conversation about the same descendants. But you have given me a another area to look into! But I'm still curious about portion 5 in Drummard (Jones) it is called Field Mount they must have had something to do with it as it is what they called our property!

How can I find where their parents are buried?

Thank you Maree

Maree Cartmill Brown

Hi again, yes the attached were just maps of the area which you can easily get on Googel.

Burial records are not great as a generalization but it is likely they will be buried in the closest graveyard to Mullaletragh and Ballylaney but as to whether there is an actual headstone is anyone's guess. 

http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&gra…

http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&gra…

Clare 

Genealogy Support 

IrelandXO member

Kilmore Church of Ireland’s burial records cover 1824 to 1942. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast. Not all burials appear in those records though. And most other denominations don’t keep burial records at all.

There’s no requirement to record where someone is buried in Ireland and so sometimes it’s just a question of trying nearby graveyards. Many of the population didn’t have gravestones (they couldn’t afford one). Farmers however were slightly more likely to be able to afford one. I think your family were farmers so that improves the chances a bit.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Clare and Elwyn

Thank you both so much for you help.
It's only about six weeks until we come to Armagh, we are getting excited.

Maree Cartmill Brown

Maree Cartmill Brown

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