Ryan's of Ulster

Ancestry gives the following death information for an Amelia Carroll, child of Amelia and  Henry J. Ryan. She was born in Sligo.  But the date of 1891 is later than the one you gave.

Name:	Amelia Carroll
Gender:	Female
Birth Date:	17 Apr 1891
Birth Place:	Sligo, County Sligo, Ireland
Death Date:	13 Jan 1953
Death Place:	Halifax, Halifax County, Nova Scotia, Canada
Cemetery:	Mount Olivet Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:	Halifax, Halifax County, Nova Scotia, Canada
Has Bio?:	Y
Father:	Henry J Ryan
Mother:	Amelia Ryan
Children:	John Carroll
URL:	https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204516518/amelia-carroll

 

I looked for this Amelia’s birth record on irishgenealogy.ie.  She was born in 1888, not 1891, on Barrack St. Her father was a staff sergeant.  See the following:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02516/1932700.pdf

Any relation to your Amelia?

Thank you kindly, unfortunately the Amelia you found is not the mother of Elizabeth Emily or Agnes Amelia RYAN

 

Sandy,

I organized your info as follows:

 

Henry RYAN 1856-1887 (ULSTER IRELAND).  I believe he may have been a soldier.

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Amelia Vincent RYAN nee PALMER (DORSET, ENGLAND)

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--Some children born in India.

--Elizabeth Emily RYAN aka Agnes Amelia RYAN (1872-1973).  (She apparently was born in Ireland and met her husband William Arthur PARKIN in Cork.)

  m. in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa

  William Arthur PARKIN

 

Their children

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 1. Lila (A derivative of Elizabeth?)

2. Agnes

3. Elizabeth

4. Havn't found this one yet

 

Is this correct?  

If you have any info about Agnes Amelia's siblings, perhaps you would provide it.  Names, approx years, birthplaces, etc.

Where did Agnes live when she was married to Parkin? Where did she die?

Thanks.

 

 

Hi Patricia, I truly appreciate your help.  I have been struggling with this for several years now.

 

Elizabeth Emily RYAN / Agnes Amelia  Ryan

 

Birth: Circa 1872  I can find no birth or death documents under either name.

 

Marriage to William Arthur PARKIN AUGUST 7 1894 - Her age stated as being 22.  It is possible that she lied about her age.  I clearly recall my grandmother saying that her mother had married very young.

They married in the house of a M & E Bennett - 320 Victoria Road in Pietermaritzburg

He was a gunner in the Royal Artillary and then later joined the Cape Town Police service as a Constable. In one of the documents he lists his wifes name as Agnes.  

I have included the death Notice of her mother, Ann Amelia Palmer VINCENT, in which all her children are named

My mother knew ELIZABETH as “Agnes” 

 

SIBLINGS (From her mothers first marriage)

 

Annie Amelia RYAN 1881-1882

John Francis RYAN 1881 - ?

William Cyrus RYAN - 1886 - 1914

Edward William RYAN1886 - 1951

Katherine Anne Ryan - date unknown

Thomas Henry RYAN ? - 1881

There. Is another anomaly here - some of the siblings appear to have been born in India with Henry RYAN being listed as their father but according to William Cyrus death notice, his father’s name was Timothy (doc included) - found this one today.

 

CHILDREN

Doris Ellen Magdaline PARKIN 1900-1960

Edgar Charles Vincent PARKIN 1902-1902  

Elsie Alfreda Parkin 1903-1961 (my grandmother)

Lila Florence Aldine PARKIN 1909 - ? (Unable to locate Baptism certificate)

 

All were born in the CapeTown area of South Africa.  With the exception of the child, Edgar, I met and remember them all.

 

Thank you so much

 

Sandy

About William Cyrus's father being called Timothy on the death cert and not Henry.  Information for a death cert is given by a third party, who may not have the correct information, maybe confused or grieving, etc.  Parents' names are sometimes incorrect on death certs.

Thank you. I didn’t realise that. Will keep searching