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Crothers/Carrothers/Carruthers from County Antrim/Belfast - possibly Scotland prior

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My mother was always proud of her Irish heritage and passed it on to me. However, I'm reaching dead ends trying to find the history of her/our family. My DNA started out showing I had about 12% Irish in me and it has steadily declined and my Scottish heritage has increased. This leads me to believe that my Irish heritage may have only been a couple generations and prior would have been from Scotland.

Here's what I do know:

My maternal grandfather was born in Belfast. From records on Ancestry.com and FamilySearch it appears that his parents were also born in Ireland (not 100% sure on this, tho). Beyond that, I have nothing. :(

My maternal grandfathers family:

Robert John Crothers (my g grandfather) b. 1851 @ 62 Hillview St, Belfast (FamilySearch record)

married Jane Glover b. 26 July, 1855 in Randalstown, Antrim. Married 29 June 1874

Children:

Robert R. Crothers b. 17 Dec 1875 Belfast, Antrim

Elizabeth Crothers b. 31 Oct 1877 Belfast, Antrim

William John Crothers b. 22 May 1879 Belfast, Antrim

John McGehan Crothers b. 12 Feb 1881 Belfast, Antrim

Thomas Crothers b. 3 June 1883 Banbridge, Ireland

James Stuart Crothers b. 28 April 1887 Belfast, Antrim (this is my Grandfather)

Annie Crothers b. 5 March 1889

The family was Presbyterian. My grandfather and some of his brothers apparently worked on the docks in Belfast at Combe & Barbour. According to some family notes, my grandfather came to America about 1901 and lived with his older sister Elizabeth for a couple years before returning to Ireland for a year or so, then returned to the United States where he ended up moving to the Seattle/Tacoma area of Washington State and worked in the shipyards in Bremerton.

I believe most of his siblings also came to America and stayed sometime around the early 1900's.

Any help tracking this family back before my grandfather and his parents would be Amazing. I'm guessing from my lack of records finding anything further back, that they may have come from Scotland and the name was probably changed from Carruthers/Carrothers to Crothers.

In 1980 I took my mother and her best friend (also Irish heritage) to Ireland for a week. Sadly we weren't able to visit Northern Ireland and we didn't have any of the current information I now have. We crossed over to England and Scotland at one point and, by chance drove through the town of Carrutherstown. My mother suddenly commented "I think I remember my father saying one time, that we had Scottish heritage". Never heard any more about it since she had no records or other proof.

Thank you for ANY help!!

John S. Fields

Mesa, Arizona USA

johnstuart

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The transcription of the marriage record for Robert John shows his father was named Robert.

Date of Marriage:     29-Jun-1874               

Parish / District:        BELFAST                     

County:          Co. Antrim

Husband                                                          Wife

Name: Robert John   Crothers                     Jane   Glover

Address:         Belfast                                    Belfast

Denomination:          Presbyterian              Presbyterian

Occupation:   SHIP CARPENTER                   

Age:    Full Age (Over 21)                              M

Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried)                 Spinster (Previously unmarried)

Husband's Father                              Wife's Father

Name: Robert Crothers                     Thomas          Glover                        

Occupation:   SHOE MAKER             CARPENTER

Witness 1                                            Witness 2

Name: James Hanna             Isabella          Burge

From RootsIreland….the date differs by a year from the one you have. It states his parents were Robert Crothers and Mary Walker.

Name: Robert Crothers        

 Date of Baptism:      12-Apr-1850

Address:         Belfast

Parish/District:          ST ANNE'S, SHANKILL

Gender:          Male   

County           Co. Antrim

Denomination:          Church of Ireland

Father:           Robert Crothers        

Mother:         Mary Walker

Notes:

REGISTRAR G F MATHEWS.              

glanvil3@aol.com

About the percentage of DNA...a sibling might show a greater percentage than you, as not everyone inherits the same amount. You may have Irish ancestry further back than you think.

I myself matched very few of a group who traced their ancestry to a name in Co. Cavan. But when my aunt, one generation closer, tested her DNA, she matched everyone in the group.

glanvil3@aol.com

1901 Irish census shows Jane and Robert and four children. James, age 13, is in the household.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Upper_Meadow_Street/937765/

glanvil3@aol.com

If you have access to Ancestry, here is a 1908 shipping record: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8745/records/1371935

Your grandfather, his parents, and his sister Annie sailed together in 1908 to Massachusetts, to join your grandfather's brother Thomas, who was living in Boston.

glanvil3@aol.com

John,

If your family was Presbyterian, had a Scottish surname and lived in Co Antrim then it’s about 98% certain they are of Scottish origins. Literally half of County Antrim has the same background. Some 200,000 Scots settled in this part of Ireland in the 1600s.

MacLysaght’s The Surnames of Ireland simply says the surname is Scottish and has been in Ulster since the 17th century.

I wouldn’t rely too much on those DNA ethnicity tests. They are not much more accurate than a horoscope. There’s no real difference between Scottish and Irish DNA. It’s only 11 miles between Ireland and Scotland at the closest point and folk have been going back and forth all the time for the past 2000 years or more. A complete melting pot. The DNA should usually be the same.

Here’s a link to Robert & Jane’s marriage in St Enoch’s Presbyterian church, Belfast. 

https://greatplacenorthbelfast.com/project/a-street-through-time-st-enochs-church/

Robert was a ship’s carpenter and his father a shoemaker.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11235/8119331.pdf

This looks to be your family in the 1901 Irish census, all evidently still in Ireland at that date. All born in Belfast save for Jane who was born in Co. Antrim - which fits if she was born in Randlastown:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Upper_Meadow_Street/937765/

Family in the 1901 street directory at 30 Meadow St Upper.

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1901c.htm

Still there in the 1907 street directory:

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1907_2.htm

And in 1908:

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1908_2.htm 

Family gone by the 1911 census.

Upper Meadow St still exists though I am not sure whether no 30 is still standing. There’s been quite a bit of redevelopment in that area over the years. German bombing in WW2 demolished quite a lot of houses in Belfast and then since the 1970s there’s been a load of new building.

Couldn’t see a likely death in Belfast for Robert Crothers senior (shoemaker). Possibly he died before 1864 which is when death registration began.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Wow! Thank you all for your quick and great responses! I still need to figure out when/where they came from Scotland to Belfast, but maybe this information will help me do that. Thank you again!! You people are AMAZING! :)

johnstuart

Does anybody know if there are records of the immigration /emigration between Ireland and Scotland in the early to mid 1800’s where I might be able to find a ship record or anything with my ancestors on it? Thanks!

johnstuart

Belfast to Scotland was , and still is, a short domestic journey. No records have even been kept of those sorts of sailings.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you!

johnstuart

We could related John!

Joshc

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