William Gavin Toomevara

Hello, Ted.

What evidence is there to connect William Gavin, the father of James with the William Gavin of Garryfanna in the Tithe Applotment Books? Are you aware that a lot of people weren't in the Tithe Applotment Books because they didn't qualify for tithes?

Why did you think that James' mother was O'Mera? 

Hi Maggie May  -  according to James Gavin's convict record he was the only son of William and Ann Gavin of Garryfanna Toomavara County Tipperary.  His parents were industrious and held 4 or 5 acres of land.  Their memorial stated he (James) was their only son and that they had an ass and cart for hire and the perpetrator of the offence (Martin Kinally aged 21)hired the ass and cart to carry the sheep which he said he purchased.  He pleaded guilty and is transported (no record of this being fact) and has left our innocent? child to be exiled from the country for his iniquity.  Going on that info I surmised that the Tithe Applotment Book entry was correct.

I have searched through all my files and cannot find where I got the name for William's wife being Ann Mary O'Mera but her name above is Ann.  Her name is listed as Nancy with a sister Bridget on another of his convict references http://foundersandsurvivors.org/pubsearch/convict/chain/ai25869 and I also found on the Ireland Catholic Parish Registers 1655-1915 a birth record dated July 1828 for a James Gaven parents William and Elizabeth https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/61039/06612_03_0044?pid=7348977&backurl=  so you can see where I have a problem with her true identity.

Thanks for taking an interest in my query and if you could put me on the right track in finding out who my gggrandparents truely were I will be forever grateful.

Kind regards

Ted Hansen

 

Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 

 

Nancy is a variation of Ann.

Have you checked what registers survive for the parish James was born on Catholic parish registers at the National Library of Ireland https://registrs.nli.ie ? Even when registers survive there may be years missing. His baptism record may not exist. Adjacent parishes can be seen on the map. Check those too in case he was baptised there.  James' birth year was estimated from the age of 22 on the convict record so may not have been accurate. Was the James Gavin with parents William & Elizabeth baptised in the parish where your James lived? Links to Ancestry and other paid websites only work for subscribers.

I can't distinguish the Gavins of the same era who were related to my family in Mayo so I'll be no help with yours. 3 brothers and fathers/uncles with only 3 names between them. "My" Gavins didn't appear in the Tithe Applotment books and neither did any of my ancestors.

As you already knew where James Gavin was from, you might have attracted a more knowledgable response if you'd posted in the relevant parish in Tipperary.

 

When I type in Garrynafana's parish Ballymackey in nli.ie it says it is in Armagh?  Have been through the ones for Tommevara many times but no luck.  I have no idea where James was actually born but guessing it was at Garrynafana (Toomevara).  Guess I will just have to hope that I get a close match on gedmatch one of these days.  The whole trouble is that those I do come across never go back far enough in their gedcoms.  Do you by any chance have a gedmatch which I could run a comparison with?  Mine is PK5918287 and I take it you are also a Gavin descendant?  

Thanks for all your help.

Ted