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William Boyce, Bohurl Park Farm

Hi I am having difficulty finding information about my great great grandfather’s family.  I have been told he was a farmer at Bohurl Park farm near Letterkenny, I don’t know how many were in the family save one younger brother named George although I have seen a Daniel listed in the Tithe Applotment 1834 list, he maybe a relative.  My great grandfather was George who fell in love with a hired help named Bridget Sweeney, their reman w was frowned upon and they ran away to Scotland where my grandfather and siblings were born.  Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.  Dee

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Dee:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

The spelling of the townland is Bohirril Park, a small townland only 95 acres in Conwal civil parish which includes Letterkenny.

The 1857 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing shows a Daniel Boyce in Bohirril Park. https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/donegal/conwal.htm

The RC baptismal records for Letterkenny RC parish start in 1853. I searched on the subscription site Roots Ireland but there were no George Boyce baptismal records in Letterkenny parish. Also no Boyce baptismal records for a Daniel Boyce in Letterkenny.

The 1901 census records for Bohirril Park showed two Boyce households. The first one has a grandson named George who was born in Scotland.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Gortnavern/Bohirril_Park/1188090/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Gortnavern/Bohirril_Park/1188091/

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Dee,

George Boyce & Bridget Sweeney were married in Letterkenny in 1883:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

Perhaps their parents didn’t approve of their marriage but it looks as though they married in a conventional way. The story about running away to Scotland maybe needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. They may have strolled away but there’s not much obvious sign of running. And clearly from the 1901 census they remained sufficiently close with the Boyce family to be able to send 2 of their children back to stay there. (That was a very common arrangement, as it made things easier for the wife in Scotland especially if she was working). Hundreds of thousands of Irish people went to Glasgow to work in the 1800s. One of the attractions was that it was easy and cheap to get to and you could come home for the Glasgow Fair and for family events.

George’s mother Ellen (Nellie) died in 1912:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

His father Anthony died in November 1901:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

 

Thank you both for all the information.  

My great grandparents George and Bridget has 8 children all born in Glasgow.

William James 16/7/1884.   Mary 21/5/1886.   George 1/1/1888.   Anthony 1/10/1889 (his aunt Mary Boyce present at the birth).    

Daniel Hugh 11/6/1895 died 29/3/1963

Twins John Francis (my grandfather) and Charles 11/2/1895.   Charles died 16 days later 27/2/1895.  John Francis died 1/12/1976

Patrick 18/6/1897 died 1/7/1918

 

William and George were the first gransons to return to Ireland and work at the farm, two years later George and Bridget took the rest of the family back to Ireland.  

The 1857 Daniel cannot be my great grandfathers son as my Daniel was born in 1892.

The first census shows John and William James to be uncles to my William and George and Catherine their aunt.  Anthony and Ellen were my great great parents.

The second 1901 census must be another Boyce family.  

Best wishes, Dee

I recently came across what I thought was my grandfather John Francis Boyce marriage lines to Grace McGrath but he has signed O’Boyce and I am wondering if this is the right John Francis Boyce, the date of the marriage was 2/10/1917.  What do you think?

 

 

md21@sky.com

Dee:

In the first part of the 20th century, adding O to the surname was common. So if the other info fits then you have the right record.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you.  I thought he added it as he may have been regretting joining the army!  The only information I have re the army is whe he applied many years later for a pension and he is Boyce on that record.  Also none of his children were O’Boyce and I personally knew my grandfather as Boyce.

My mothers cousin told me that the family at Bohirril were prosperous but looking at the census I get the feeling it was a hard life, 10 people living in 3 rooms.  It’s all very interesting.  

Regards, Dee

IrelandXO member

Dee,

In Griffiths Valuation for 1858 there is just 1 Boyce farm in Bohirril Park. It was plot 2 occupied by Daniel Boyce. It consisted of a farmhouse, outbuildings and just under 24 acres of land. In addition there was a corn-mill & kiln. 24 acres was enough land to give a satisfactory income rather than luxurious but there would have been additional income from the corn mill, so it’s conceivable that they were quite well off by the standards of the time. A lot better off than the average labourer, certainly.

2 possible deaths for that Daniel. One registered in 1868 aged 80 and the other in 1873 aged 50. Neither is on-line free yet. You would need to order copies from GRO Roscommon to see if they relate to your family.

Londonderry Sentinel of 22 July 1890 has an article reporting serious assaults. John & George Boyce both of Bohirril had been arrested and were in Letterkenny Police station. They had been returning from a holiday in Scotland and allegedly assaulted Daniel & Agnes Crossan also of Bohirril and John Connolly of Booragh. The Crossans and Connolly had been going home from Letterkenny market on Friday evening between 7 & 8 o’clock and overtook the Boyces. An altercation took place at the crossroads at Ballaghderg, and abusive language was indulged in, culminating in a regular melee, in which whips and sticks were freely used. 3 police officers went to the scene and then to the Boyce household where the 2 were arrested. They were bailed to attend court next Petty Sessions, and Dr Erskine Moore, Letterkenny, dressed the wounds of the injured.

The Larne Times of 22nd June 1907 carries a report from Letterkenny Petty Sessions where John Boyce of Aughilenty summoned John Boyce of Bohirril for assault. John Boyce was convicted and fined 5 shillings. The incident is also in the Londonderry Sentinel 15th June 1907 where it reports that John Boyce of Aughilenty had been walking down Letterkenny Main St when John Boyce of Bohirril hit him over the head with stick and then knocked him off the footpath. Some time later he assaulted him again. Bohirril’s account was that they both “jundied” together and that he (the accused) was struck, but did not strike the complainant. The court didn’t believe his account and convicted.

The Derry Journal of 8th March 1907 reports a case in Letterkenny Petty Sessions where William James Boyce of Bohirril was in court in connection with a breach of the peace case. If I understand the article correctly he had been convicted at a previous hearing, fined 5 shillings and bound over to keep the peace. 3 sureties had offered financial guarantees for his behaviour. It appears that he had failed to behave acceptably and the hearing was to discuss forfeiting the sums offered as surety. Interestingly, the police Inspector prosecuting “appealed to the magistrates to deal as leniently with the defendant as they could, seeing that he had already paid a large sum for costs in connection with the case of which the breach of the peace arose. On the suggestion of the District Inspector the magistrates decided to estreat each of the 3 parties in 1 penny and costs. Boyce appeared personally and applied to have this not done, but the magistrates adhered to their decision.”

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

 

Wow a few wild boys in the Boyce family.  

Still not sure how the Daniel you refer to fits in with my line yet.

I expect the William James in 1907 was from my line.

1890 must have been my great grandfather George, don’t know who John was at that time.

1907 that John may have been my grandfather who would have been 12 at that time.  

Thank you for all your efforts, Dee

md21@sky.com
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Dee,

In Griffiths in 1858 there were only 3 households in Bohirril Park. 1 Boyce, 1 Dogherty & 1 McGettigan. In 1901 there were still only 3 households there, so there’s not much doubt that the people being referred to must be your family:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Gortnavern/Boh…

I had a look at the other Boyce family in the 1901 census. Annie Boyce’s maiden name was Friel and her husband was Daniel. So that’s who the Daniel is in Griffiths I would say. He is bound to be related to family living next door. (Possibly Daniel & Anthony were brothers?). Here’s Daniel & Annie’s daughter Catherine’s birth certificate in 1867:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Alice was one of a pair of twins born in 1865. The other was Anne:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Wow another set of twins.  My grandfather was a twin, none been born since.

md21@sky.com

Having trouble tracing information about Bridget Sweeney and her family,  Bridget married to George Boyce in 1883.  Any advice on where to look would be appreciated.  Thank you.

 

md21@sky.com

The 1883 marriage certificate:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10949/8001557.pdf

It tells us that Bridget was born c 1863 and that her father was Hugh. A witness to the marriage was Mary Sweeney. A relation presumably (mother/sister/aunt?). Bridget’s address was just Letterkenny and her occupation servant, so she might not come from the town. She may have gone there for work.

Birth registration started in 1864. I searched those records 1864 – 1867 for Bridget’s birth and any others to a father named Hugh. I found one in 1866:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03542/2303794.pdf  Mother was Mary Friel.

I can’t say this is your family. But it might be. However there is second possibiloity below.

The problem you face is that if Bridget was born in the Letterkenny area in 1863 or earlier (as indicated by her age when she married) then there’s no birth certificate to find. Normally you would rely on church baptism records but unfortunately this parish (Conwal) has no records before 1874, so you won't find anything for her).

Here’s that first Hugh in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Maghesaboy/Drumgreggan/1189097/

His daughter Mary (born c 1875) married Thomas McNamee. Here’s Mary’s birth:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Here’s another Hugh who was a shoemaker in Letterkenny. Daughter Mary born 10.2.1877:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03023/2107834.pdf

That Hugh died in 1900 aged 58:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05753/4624836.pdf

His wife Catherine died in 1896 aged 60 (so born c 1836).

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05874/4665437.pdf

This looks to be their son Hugh (who registered both deaths):http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Letterkenny_Town/Main_Street/1188632/

Hugh was born in Tyrone so possibly the family originate there?  There’s a cousin from Glasgow so, as with so many families in Donegal, they were obviously back and forth to Scotland.

What happened to George and Bridget? If they went to Scotland and she died there, you should get her parents names and occupations from her death certificate.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

I know George and Bridget (who came from Doe)  went to Glasgow, Scotland, shortly after they married where they had 8 children, one a twin Charles to my grandfather John Francis died about two weeks later.  The whole family returned to Letterkenny about 12 years later.  Thank you for the information I will take a look at it and come back to you if necessary.

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Hi, I have been going thro some of my late mothers papers and came across an appreciation card from the parents and family of the late Oliver Boyce from Cross, Clonmany, Donegal, dated January 1973.  I am wondering whether he was related to my mother Mary Josephine Boyce but cannot find any information about him, I have checked census and births records but nothing.  Any help would be appreciated, thank you.  Dee

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There’s a very sad newspaper report here on an inquest held in January 1973 in Letterkenny. Oliver Boyce was 25 when he was murdered along with his 20 year old fiancée.

So he was born around 1948. Births within the past 100 years are not on-line. They are open to the public just not on-line. Assuming Oliver was born in the Republic of Ireland, you should be able to get a copy of his birth certificate from GRO Roscommon. And then with his parents’ names you could work backwards to their marriage and from that to a generation likely to be in the 1911 census.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Very sad.  I have now seen his gravestone and his parents are with him, his mother Mary died 10/8/1997 and his father Frank died 11/8/1998.  At the moment I have no knowledge of a Frank in the Boyce line but I might now find his parents marriage.  Thank you.

md21@sky.com

My grandfather John Francis Boyce married Mary Josephine McMonagle on 30 June 1930.  My understanding is that she died some years later in a house fire but I cannot find a death certificate or record of such a death, any help would be appreciated, thank you.  Dee

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Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you for the information, I will keep looking.  Dee

md21@sky.com

Hi Dee, Vincent here. The reason why you can't find anything for Bridget Sweeney is because on her civil marriage certificate she has her location as Letterkenny and her father as Hugh Sweeney.

But on the parish marriage certificate her location was Glack / Glassan / Doe which is another part of Donegal. I have lots of DNA matches from here including someone who comes from Bridget's sister Anna Sweeney who married a Neil McClafferty.

I also have another match who descends from an Edward Sweeney son of Hugh Sweeney. Edward fits the age profile to be the brother of Bridget and Anna but I can't find the birth certificates to prove it but the DNA matches are strong so I would say he was.

vincentmcgreev…

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