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White/McLoughlin family Mystery

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My wifes family hails from th Killavoggy, Dromahaire, Leitrim area. Specificlly two families - White and McLaughlin

Her maternal grandmother was Kathleen (Kate) McLoughlin born 1899, Father JamesMcLaughlin, Mother Mary (Kelly)

Siblings were at least John (1892), Norah (1896), Helena (Ellen?) (1901), MAragret (1903) and Patrick (1905) - Mary (mother) dies shortly after the birth of Patrick in 1905

Mary's death certificate is witnessed by William White (1873-1930) and stated as "cousin to deceased". William married Honor (Honora/Honoria) McLoughlin 1901 in Manor Hamilton (I think). Family history/story is that Kate grew up on the White farm between 1901 and 1911. The White's had many children (Ellen ,John, Mary, Ann, Patrick, Bernard, Michael, Kate, Margaret, Thomas, Dora)

The mystery is this - both Honor and James show a John McLoughin as father. For James (Kate's father) the mother is unclear, but could be Anne Feeny, for Honor the mother isHonor Dolan (pretty sure about that). Thus the question is - How are they related? it appears not to be the same John McLaughlin (or did he marry twice?). James (by census and death cert and a birth cert) was born in 1860, Honora (birth cert) in 1868 - all in the north of Leitrim around Killavoggery, Garvagh, Kilargue and Manorhamilton.

Kate went to London in the 1920's and the family appears to have lost touch. It seems that many of the White's and McLaughlin sibling left to go to the USA - I am hoping that someone can help me. I did find a picture of a White family reunion on Facebook but have no idea who to contact. My wife's mother Kathleen (daughter of Kate) is now 85 and we are trying to figure this all out

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Arh5000:

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I located the 1901 and 1911 censuses for both families. The McLoughlins actually lived in Garvagh Glebe townland. William White and Honora McLoughlin married in 1891 rather than 1901. See link to civil record below. I also located the 1862 baptismal record for James and the 1868 civil birth record for Honora which you already have.

I did not find any evidence that James and Honora were siblings but I like your theory about John McLaughlin being married twice.

Roger McDonnell

 

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Garvagh/Garvagh_Gl…

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Garvagh/Garvagh_Gl…

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Garvagh/Kilavoggy/…

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Garvagh/Killavoggy…

 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

Name:James MagloughlinDate of Birth:

Date of Baptism:01-Jan-1862Address:
Parish/District:KILLARGUE ROMAN CATHOLICGender:MaleCountyCo. Leitrim
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:John MagloughlinMother:Anne Feeny

Name:Honor MacLoughlinDate of Birth:22-Feb-1868
Registration Date:05-Mar-1868Address:Moher KillinumeryParish/District:DROMAHAIRE CIVIL REGISTRATION DISTRICTGender:FemaleCountyCo. Leitrim
Denomination:Not Recorded
Father:John MacLoughlinMother:Honor DolanOccupation:Farmer

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Hi, I forwarded this to my Aunt Heidi and also to my mother in hopes they know the connection. My Mom is the granddaughter of William but I don't think she knew him as her father came to US in the 20s prior to her birth.

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Also do you have any information about Mary (Kelly)? Who were her parents? It is possible the connection is through her to William. Im not sure about McGloughlin.

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Danielle - A good question.....I now beleive that the relationship goes like this......Mary Kelly's parents appear ot be - Michael Kelly and Catherine Dolan (b1841, Molehill, m 1860).....hold that thought. On the White side it appears that Honora McLoughlin could be the daughter of a John McLoughlin and Honora Dolan (b 1838 Fairymount). It is possible that they the Dolan's are sisters - and both have Thomas Dolan - and Bridget as parents. Bridgets maiden name may have been Faugheney. This would make William White and Mary Kelly cousins (as family folklore would have). the only complication here is that Mary Kelly's husband (John McLoughlin) needs to be a different John M to the one married to Honora Dolan. I guess that is possible - if not even likely as John is a very common name and there were a lot of McLaughlins. Also the Dolan's would need to have migrated to Leitrim in the 1835 - 1850 timframe - all possible given the Potato Famine - appreciate your thouhgts - but for now this is my best guess

 

 

 

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Hi, my name is Domhnaill Harkin, im a great great grandson of William and Honora White. My father is john harkin, his father was John Jo Harkin, john jos mother was Ellen Nora White (my great grandmother), eldest child of William and Honora. It was very interesting to read about the dolans. Im wondering do you know more about William White, on my great grandmothers birth cert he is listed as a land steward and in the 1901 census as a shop keeper. I can't find any birth records for him in Leitrim so im wondering if there's more to his story. His forename and surname suggests he could be a protestant along with a role as a land steward though he is listed as a Catholic in the census so im wondering if he maybe from a mixed religious background? Feel free to contact me by email donalharkin@gmail.com if you have any more family info, any docs on the dolans, ncloughlins or whites , id greatly appreciate it.

donalharkin@gm…

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