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Whinery (Whinnery) Family 1690 Ballyhagan/Richhill

Hi. I'm searching for information on Whinery (Whinnery) folks, prior to 1690, who were last located at Ballyhagan/Richhill/Moy/Charlemont area of current County Armagh/County Tyrone.  Patrick Whinery sr was born at County Armagh 1690.  I don't know about his parents, or where they came from, but a clue is Cumbria (formerly Cumberland) area of England.  These whinery folks were Quakers.  Any help on Patrick sr and his parents greatly appreciated.  

Kansas

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The Quakers kept fairly good records in Ireland. There are copies of most of their Irish records on findmypast. There are also copies on microfilm in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast.

As far as I can see there are just 2 Whi(n)nery records in that collection. An Elizabeth Whinnery died in May 1726 in Dublin.

A Thomas Whinnery of Kilmore married on 4th Jan 1706 or 23rd Jan 1706 (depending on which record set you use) at Ballyhagan meeting to Kettren (Catherine) Smith of Ballyhagan, Co Armagh.

Witnesses:

 

William Brownloe

William Gray

John Williamson

William Richardson

John Anderson

James Tough

Benjamen Macky

James Stevenson

Robert Delapp

James Brownloe

Samuell Murphy

Samell Gray

Henry Clarke

Francis Hobson

John Smith

James Smith

Charles Woods

Robert Morrow

Henry Redford

James Fox

William Foster

John Stevenson

Robert Barns junr

Nicholas Barns

John Brownloe

Mary Smith senr

Mary Smith

Rose Smith

Eliz Barns

Abigail Gray

Mary Gray

Hanah Stevenson

Eliz Shepherd

Ann Morrow

Elinor Stevenson

 

 

Whinnery is not a native Irish name and it is likely that the family moved from England to Ireland in the 1600s for business reasons.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Elwin.  In the 1967 book "Guide to Irish Quaker Records 1654-1860," by Olive C. Goodbody, there are records shown for the Ballyhagan and Grange near Charlemont meetings dating to the late 17th Century and early 18th Century. The book notes at the time of the book's publication, 1967, that the records were kept at 6 Eustice Street, Dublin. I find the records were moved sometime after 1967, but I have been unable to find to where they have been moved.  Would you know, Edwin, or anyone else know?  

Yes, I believe the Whinery folks moved into Northern Ireland before 1690, from likely the Cumberland area (now Cumbria) of England.  

Respectfully, Eric

Kansas

Kansas,

There’s a copy held in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast and the Friends Provincial Office in Lisburn also has a copy. This is what the PRONI guide to church records says:

"(e) The Religious Society of Friends (or Quakers) 

The Religious Society of Friends began in Ulster in the mid-17th century, settling mainly around Lisburn, Co. Antrim, and Lurgan, Co. Armagh. From the beginning there was a strong emphasis on recordkeeping. George Fox, the founder of the Society, advised every meeting to keep a record of its business and also to keep registers of births, marriages and burials. The records are very complete and for most monthly meetings they exist almost continuously from the date of origin. 

Apart from registers of births [not baptisms, as baptism was not practised by the Society of Friends], marriages and burials, the Society of Friends also maintained a number of other unique types of records. Records of sufferings detail the penalties endured for the religious beliefs (for example, they often suffered for non-payment of tithes). There are copies of removal certificates, given when members transferred to other societies, and testimonies of disunity from those who committed offences contrary to church rules (for example, marrying outside the Society, failure to pay debts or drinking to excess). Minutes record in great detail the work, organisation and oversight of meetings, including details about sufferings and records of births, marriages and deaths (sometimes arranged by family name). Wills and inventories throw a great deal of light on social conditions and on rural and domestic life because they list household and farm equipment. 

PRONI has copied all the records at the Lisburn Meeting House which include not only those of Lisburn, but of Lurgan, Ballyhagen and Richhill in Co. Armagh, Grange near Charlemont, Co. Tyrone, Antrim, and Cootehill, Co. Monaghan. They are to be found under the reference code MIC16. In the last century indexes were made of the early registers of monthly meetings and these contain abstracts of all births, marriages and deaths up to 1859. Thereafter, new abstract registers were kept. Another valuable search aid is a list [Jones Index] of every surname occurring in the registers of the Society of Friends in Ireland and showing the monthly meeting in which each name appears. All of these are available at the Dublin Friends' Historical Library." 

I have used those records at PRONI. They are on microfilm and it can take quite a bit of time to go through them. The births, deaths & marriages are interspersed with details of the regular meetings and other business. So you have to trawl through quite a lot of microfilm if you are searching say 30 or 40 years. Allow several hours.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks again, Elwyn!  I've reached out to PRONI.  Eric

Kansas

Kansas/Eric,

PRONI charge about £50 for 30 mins research, and they generally don’t do sweeping searches (eg all records relating to Whinery). You might find  other researchers cheaper. Check the sgni site http://sgni.net/

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Gosh Kansas, I hope you are still here! I am stuck at the same place with the Whinerys.

Did you find anything?

Whinery, Whinnery, Whinwray, Whineray Whinerey, Whinerie, Whinnerah, Whinneray, Whinnerey, Whinnerwray, Whinray, Whinry, and a couple McWhinnys.

I have been researching this Surname for over 20 years. I have all sorts of information in the United States leading back to 1700s and then it all starts to fall apart. My basic question is: I NEED A PATRICK.

"Present Day" Eldon LeRoy Whinery (1900-1991) worked as a miner in Eastern Ohio. He was talented in his ability to understand the lay of the land, surveying and rock formations in order to know where the coal veins were. Records for his family in the area of Columbiana County Ohio go back to the death of William Whinery 23 Sep 1819. This William Whinery was born 8 Mar. 1751 in Newberry, York, Pennsylvania.

William's father is one of two brothers and a father: Robert: B. 1718 Charlemont, County Armagh Ireland, Patrick Jr.: B. 1716 Charlemont, County Armagh Ireland, and their reported father Patrick Whinery. There are records in Immigration of the Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania 1682-1750 (Albert Cook Myers M.L.) showing Robert Whinery as a weaver from Grange Near Charlemont about 1738. He married out of the Quakers He returned to the Quakers and then was removed again in 1754. Others noted in the book are a John and Elinor Whinery in marriage 1702 and Mathew Whinery 1703 in Ballyhagen Meeting. Thomas Whinnery and Katharine Smith Parish of Kilmore County Armath, members of Ballyhagen were married in Ballyhagen meeting house 11 Mo. 23 1706. Signers included Thomas Whinnery and Katharine Whinnery. In 1741, John Whinery and Elinor Whinery are mentioned as signers at Ballyhagen Meeting House. Looking at these records, male names that are repeated are: William, Thomas and Robert. No one is using Patrick. American researchers go on to say "Patrick Sr. returned to Ireland to bring his wife and younger children to America, but he died at sea" (anywhere from 1722-1733). when asked for documentation or where they found this information they continually say, "Thats the family story"

help.

I decided another way to search --by family groups, thinking that perhaps the trade of Eldon Whinery of coal miner might give some insight. Using this tactic, I found a Nathaniel of the city of Dublin Stone cutter in 1734 and a John Whinry of the city of Dublin who is a lapidary in 1684. This is the earliest Whinry in Ireland so far.

If I broaden the search there are many "Whinery"s in Lancashire in the 1600s and even 1500. Again NONE are a Patrick or even a Padraig.

There is a rather obscure entry in Ireland, Betham Genealogical Abstracts 1179-1830 that reads: "Shank Marguis of Donegal to Whinery." Finally there is a Patrick McWhinny Ballymacbrendan Magheralin, County Down in 1749 and a Robert McWhinny Dumigor, Seagoe County Armagh.But no record that they Immigrated.

I would love any insight or help you can give me on this.

Thank you in advance,

Amanda Whinery

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