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I have a 3xggrandfather who was born in Ireland, but I don't know where. He first shows up in Scotland about 1841 and then immigrates here to New Zealand.

I have his birth date (in 1811), and that he was involved in the Presbyterian Church - so, little to go on.

Is there any hope of being able to narrow down which parish he was born in?

Any advice appreciated, thank you. :)

celtic.raven@l…

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Post us the full details. When was your ancestor born? Where and who was he living with in the 1841 census?

 

If he was Presbyterian than he’s likely to have come from the counties of Ulster as that’s where most Presbyterians were found. (200,000 Scots moved to Ireland in the 1600s bringing Presbyterianism with them. Most settled in Ulster. Presbyterianism is often a clear sign of Scottish ancestry). By the 1800s the Scots settlers were often moving back to Scotland as the employment prospects were better than in Ireland.  Ireland lacks natural resources. No coal, oil, iron ore etc, and so apart from a modest amount of shipbuilding in Belfast and the Belfast linen mills (which mostly only employed women), it did not really get the industrial revolution that benefited England and Scotland where mills, steelworks, ship building, coal mining and all their support industries were major employers creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. Much better paid than subsistence farming or weaving. Added to that you had the effects of a massive population explosion in Ireland – up from 3 million in 1750 to 8 million in 1841 (no-one is really sure of the reasons why but reduced neo-natal deaths seem to be a factor) and the famine. So some push factors and some pull factors saw huge numbers of people leave Ireland. Something like 8 million people emigrated from Ireland between 1801 & 1921.

https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/emigration-Ireland-19th-century.html

If you look at the Scottish censuses for the Glasgow area in the late 1800s, you will see that about every fifth person recorded there was born in Ireland. Scotland was a particularly popular place to go to work because it was easy and very cheap to get to. Several sailings every day from Belfast, plus regular sailings from Portrush, Ballycastle and Londonderry, not to mention Dublin. The shipping companies main business was cargo and the passengers were just top-up revenue. Competition was fierce and passenger fares very low.

Moving on to another place – in this case New Zealand – was also very common. It’s called stepped migration.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn

Thank you for your reply, and the very interesting information. I find it fascinating.

My elusive ancestors details:

QUIN, Michael

b: 20 Oct 1811, Ireland

d. 20 Oct 1892, Wellington, NZ

occ: blacksmith

marr: 12 Jan 1840, Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland

sp: HUMBLE, Isabella (b. 1815, Prestonpans)

1841 census: aged 25, @ High Street, North Berwick, East Lothian (wife & baby were with her mother in Haddington that night)

emigrated to NZ: 1842

I have pieced together a possible family for Michael, based on a James QUIN appearing on Michael's marriage record, as witness. James was born in Ireland, during 1820. Parents may have been a Peter QUIN (b. cir 1791, Ireland) and Catherine GORMAN (b. Ireland). They also emigrated to Scotland. Catherine had died before the 1841 census, but Peter - a labourer - was living in Edinburgh. They also had a daughter, Sarah - born in Ireland, married in Haddington. No info points to where within Ireland they came from, that I could find so far.

 

Thank you again for your help, I really appreciate it. :)

celtic.raven@l…

I did a search on rootsireland for a marriage in Ireland between Peter Quin & Catherine Gorman but did not find one. Likewise no trace of a baptism for daughter Sarah. It’ll likely be pretty hard to trace the family’s origins. Check all the Scottish censuses. Usually place of birth is just “Ireland” but occasionally they put something more detailed. If Peter Quin died in Scotland, 1855 onwards, his death certificate should give you his parents names and occupations. Also whether they were alive or dead at that date.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi again

Thanks again, I do appreciate the help looking into this. Looks like its a pretty solid brick wall, though.

I spent yesterday on ScotlandsPeople trying to dig up anything on the family, but so far no luck their either, apart from what I'd previously seen.

My fingers will always be crossed for some information to come stumbling my way. :)

regards

celtic.raven@l…

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