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Timothy Cronin's birthplace

Hello,

I am looking for the original homeland of my Cronin line. The only clue I have is from the 1861 census after he moved to England. The transcription says he was born in Croom. I'm not positive that's an accurate transcription. 
Thank you for any help possible,

Kathy Gustafson 

The format of the screenshot of the census page isn't accepted by this message  so I've copied the transcription below.

Name   Tim Coney

Age 68.  Estimated Birth Year 1793

Spouse's Name.  Nora Croney

Where born.  Croome, Ireland

Civil parish. Ealing

Ecclesiastical parish.  St George

Town.  Brentford

County/Island.  Middlesex

Country.  England

Registration district.  Brentford

Sub-registration district.  Brentford

ED, institution, or vessel.  17

Household schedule number.  93

Piece.  779

Folio.  94

Page number.  16

Household Members:

Tim Coney  Age 68

Nora Croney Age 65

Mary Croney Age 31

Dennis Croney Age 30

James Coney Age 8

Timothy Coney Age 2

 

KGustafson

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There is a civil parish named Croom in Limerick, about which you can learn more at this link:

https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/croom2/

At that page, there is a list of the townlands within the civil parish, with links to more info about them, and you'll note that there is a townland also named Croom.  When you go to the page for each townland, there are further links to records such as Griffiths Valuation (mid-1800's).  The records for the townland of Croom do show one Cronin tenant/landholder, a Denis Cronin, at this link (there are no Coney's shown):

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

Civil parishes are administrative districts, and do no always have the same names or boundaries as the local Catholic parish, which may be larger and contain some or all of several civil parishes.  There is a Catholic parish of Croom, but its boundaries appear not to be exactly the same as those of the civil parish.  The Catholic parish records which are available online for Croom  are found here:

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0881

Those records go back to the 1770's for marriages and deaths, and the late 1820's for baptisms, so you ought to be able to find some of the people in your list, if that's their home parish.

The people you listed appear to be named Coney or Croney, not Cronin.  According to MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland, the name Coney is rare, and is usually a variant of the name Cooney (Ó Cuana in Irish).  That surname apparently originated in Ulster, but many of them moved to Connacht, and the surname is now found in many places in Ireland.  MacLysaght has no info about the name Croney, but I suppose it might be a variant of Cronin.

If you're sure that the family was named Cronin, then that surname (Ó Cróinín in Irish) originated in the next county to the south, Cork, and is mostly found in Cork and Kerry (though also to some extent in Limerick and other nearby counties).  There is no "Croom" in Cork, but there is a parish named Macroom, which is more or less right in the heart of Cronin country.  The Catholic parish records for Macroom go back to 1780 for marriages and 1813 for baptisms, so they might be worth a look.  You can find them here:

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0077

kevin45sf@yahoo.com

Thank you very much!  I know the family name is Cronin.  One of Timothy Cronin's daughters married Michael Creed/Creeden from Cork and one of his sons married a woman from Cork. Not solid evidence but could indicate connections in Ireland. 

I’ll look at the Catholic records from Croom, Limerick just in case. The family were orange hawkers once they were in England so may have moved around in Ireland. One of the few family stories I was told said that we were descended from a tinker in Killarney. So far my ancestors have been from Cork and Tipperary though. 

It's likely the surname Coney and possibly the Croom instead of Macroom were misunderstood by the census taker. I’ve run into quite a bit of that with my Irish ancestors. 

I’ve looked through the Macroom parish records before but it was quite awhile ago and I may not have been as careful as I should. I’ll look again. 

Do you know if people in this site will help read records?  I have a hard time deciphering some of them. 

Thanks again!  I’m a little more hopeful of finding their home. 

Kathy

 

KGustafson

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