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Thompson - Orr, Ballygony, County Down

I am looking for birth and marriage records for my ancestors, Joseph Orr (1731 - 182) and Sarah Orr Thompson (1744 - 1811). They came to America in 1774. Their minister (who gave them a letter of introduction) was Joseph Ker or Kerr, a Presbyterian minister in Ballygony, County Down. I would like to know the names of their parents, any siblings, and any other information that might be available. Joseph and Sarah came to America in 1774 and settled in York County, Pennsylvania near Gettysburg. Thank you to anyone who can help!

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Ballygoney isn’t in Co Down. It’s in Co Londonderry/Derry. Rev Joseph Kerr did serve in Co Down (in Tullylish) but he later served at Ballygoney Presbyterian church in Co Londonderry. He died in Co Londonderry, in 1785. See:

http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/ministers-pres.html

http://www.geograph.ie/photo/271377

To avoid searching in the wrong county, what precise information do you have about your family in Ireland? Did they live in Down or Ballygoney, Co Derry?

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you for responding. I was always told Joseph Thompson and his wife, Sarah Orr, came from Ballygony in County Down. The only thing I'm sure about is the Ballgony part. Their minister, Joseph Ker(r) gave them a letter of introduction when they came to the US in 1774. Here is the transcript:

Transcript: Church Certificate Brought To America From Ireland

That Joseph Thompson and his wife, Sarah Orr Thompson, have been Regular Members of the Associated Congregation of Ballygony, the North of Ireland, and behaved themselves in a sober Christian manner, free of all public scandal and ground of Church Censure, as they now design to Remove into some of the American Plantations, they may be admitted into any Christian Community where God in his Adorable Providence may be graciously pleased to cast their lot.
                              Certified by
     Ballygony, May 20, 1774            Joseph Ker, Minister

 

 

 

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Jake,

I think your family probably lived near Ballygoney in Co. Londonderry. (It’s near Coagh). As I commented previously there isn’t a Ballygoney in Co Down, and since the Rev Kerr is known to have served at Ballygoney in Co Londonderry probably around 1774, then it seems fairly likely he wrote the reference at that location.

The bad news is that Ballygoney Presbyterian church has no baptism or marriage records earlier than 1845, so you may struggle to find anything about the family from church sources. (Presbyterians don’t generally keep burial records either).

The Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast should have details of Rev Kerr’s career and would be able to tell you when he transferred from Tullylish, Co Down to Ballygoney, Co Londonderry, but I’d expect it to be before 1774.

http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com

There is a book giving the history of the church from 1762 onwards. You might want to get a copy of that to see if there’s any mention of your families. See:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/ballygoney-presbyterian-church-1762-1962/oclc/39846136

You could check graveyards in the area but without knowledge of parents names etc there’s no way of saying whether you have found the right families. Orr and Thompson are pretty common surnames in the general area and it may be difficult to narrow the search without additional information. DNA testing might be the only way of possibly finding a match with other families from the area.

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you very much, Elwyn, I appreciate your comments, With your permission, I;d like to add them to my genealogy database. Although what you've written is disappointing, it is still very usefyl to me. Thanks!

 

 

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You are very welcome quote this information. I am sorry I can’t give you much more. I would definitely read the church history. Those sorts of books often mention key families in the local area, and you might just get something from that.

I have one other source for you. Ballygoney is in the parish of Arboe. It’s in Co Londonderry but very close to the county boundary and straddles the border, so many of the townlands are in Co. Tyrone.

If your Orr and Thompson ancestors were farmers, and had descendants who stayed in Ireland, they would likely be listed in the tithe applotment records. The tithes were land taxes, and so consequently most people with land (ie farmers) would be listed. (Just the heads of household are listed). I have attached the 1826 tithes for Arboe parish which includes Ballygoney. You’ll see a couple of Orr and Thompson farms there. If you get no other leads you might try tracing those farms forward, using Griffiths Valuation, the revision records and the 1901 & 1911 censuses.  And if there’s anyone living in the area today, you could approach them for a DNA test. Can’t say whether they’d agree to it, but they might.

http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/ardboe.html

Presbyterian emigrants in the 1700s often came from a farming background (and were often a little better off financially than the average person) so you might expect to find the families in the tithes, assuming there were descendants still living in Ireland in the 1820s.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

I have a similar situation where I am attempting to track down the families of my ancestors, William Watt and Unity Wright, who recieved a letter of support in 1791 from a Rev. James Stein (or Steen) of the Ballygonney Presbyterian Church. The letter reads:

These are to certify that Willm Watt and his wife Unity Watt otherwise Wright have for sometime past been members of the Associate Congregation of Ballygonney in the North of Ireland remove from this place for America in a fair character and may with all safety be admitted members of any Christian Society where God in His Providence may order their lot - - -          

 

Jas Stein V: D: M

Ballygonney

Octb. 3d, -1791 

 

I have not been able to trace their families from that point. But thank you Elwyn for the information.

 

- Sean

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