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Thomas Hannon/Rose McAllister - HELP!

Hello, I'm searching for information on my great-grandfather Thomas Hannon who is believed to have been born in 1870/1871 and according to 1911 England Census lists his birthplace as County Galway. He tragically died on the railways in November 1913 in Warrington, then Lancashire, England. He married Rose (McAllister) in Warrington on 16th Oct 1892 and on the marriage certificate (aged stated as 23) his father is named as Thomas Hannon although it looks spelt Hannan on certificate and the index says Harman (8c 327). They had ten children but three died. Mary (22/4/1897), Thomas (1901), Daniel (31/12/1901), James (17/1/1906), Winifred (10/11/1907), John (31/1/1911), and Ellen (4/10/1913) just a month before he was killed. Rose was given money from the poor box by the coroner at the inquest into his death as she was now widowed and had to raise seven children without their father. She states her home as County Antrim and birthdate as 19th Dec 1870 and believe her father and mother to be John and Ellen McAllister also County Antrim.

I'm searching for any inormation I can on Thomas Hannon or his father Thomas Hannon/Hannan or the McAllister family. According to ethicity estimates on Ancestry my roots are Ulster and County Antrim, Down, Londonderry, and County Monaghan and Louth. My grandmother's family might hail from Carrickmacross with tha names Malone and McGurk. That's as much as we have and I would be really grateful for any assistance you could give. Thanks so much!

 

 

leemhannon@gmail.com

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Hannon Family:

Two possible records.

I located a January 1 1870 civil birth record for a Thomas Hannon with father Thomas Hannon mother Winfired Doud/Dowd. The lived in Cappagh townland in Killian civil parish in northeast Co. Galway. See eighth record at the link. He was baptized January 8th in Ballygar church.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

The subscription site Roots Ireland also has a January 11 1871 baptismal record in Clifden RC parish in western Co. Galway. The name was Thomas Hanin father Thomas Hanin mother Mary (no last name shown).

Since one of Thomas' children was a Winifred I think it is highly likely that the first record is correct.

On Roots Ireland, I located a February 18 1871 baptismal record for a Rose McAlister father John McAlister mother Ellen McFerran. The RC parish was Rasharkin. The place name shown was Church Tamlaght. I will need to search to confirm the address. I have not found a civil birth record.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hannon Family:

Church Tamlaght  is a townland in Rasharkin civil parish in western Co. Antrim.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hannon Family:

Some additional records on the Hannon family in Cappagh.

Roger

1901 census Hannon family  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Cloonkeen/Cappa…

Thomas died in January 1902  see first record 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

1911 census Hannon family  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Cloonkeen/Cappa…

Winifred (Winnie) died in 1923 see second record

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

This is super interesting and helpful - thanks so much for your help Roger! Really appreciated. The names of the other children also carry forward but I don't know how much weight to put to this. It all certainly makes sense, but the one thing that has always puzzled me is that on Ancestry my DNA estimate only connects with Ulster: Tyrone, Londonderry and Antrim as well as Monaghan and Louth. It makes no mention of Galway. The marriage certifcate for Thomas Hannon makes no mention of mother to be able to confirm name. 

This is a single source piece of information from a Census in 1911. Clearly says Galway for Thomas and "North Ireland" for Rose and I don't know how accurate the Ancestry estimate is? Perhaps people on here have their own experience. The information on McAllisters is super helpful. I see on someone else's tree that they put a possible address as Crushybracken, Rasharkin, County Antrim in 1881 census but I can't seem to find it? If I search forward for decendants of Thomas other children Patus (1859), Brigda (1860), Maria/Mary 1863), Michael (1867), Michael (1872), Helena (1878) and see if my DNA connects with any of these people. Does Cappagh townland still exist today or known by aniother name?

Thanks again

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

leemhannon@gmail.com

Thanks again Roger. Is there anyway to map where No 8 Cappagh is today if the building still exists or where it is located? Do you or anyone else know of a tool or way to do this? Also, do you know of any specific group or other posts relating to this family?

 

leemhannon@gmail.com

Hannon Family:

The house numbers shown on the 1901 and 1911 censuses were the result of how RIC constables collected the census forms. The censuses were taken by the family as of Sunday night March 31 1901 and Saturday March 31 1911. The constables came into each townland to collect the signed forms and make sure they were properly filled out. So when they came into the townland to collect the forms during the month of April, the first house was assigned as House 1, second visited House 2, etc. This explains why your family was in House 8 in 1901 and House 5 in 1911. 

There were 16 houses in Cappagh in 1901 including two Hannon households. I don't know a way to determine if your family house is still standing. ( FYI-I live in the States).

I checked our prior Hannon/Hannan messages for Co. Galway and did not see a message in Killian parish.

There is a very active Facebook page called East Galway Genealogy and DNA. https://www.facebook.com/groups/555977884943692 ; Join the group. Have you loaded your DNA to Gedmatch? www.gedmatch.com ;

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

 

Thanks Roger, interesting stuff and I did wonder why the house numbers changed. I have uploaded to Gedmatch but to be honest I don't know how to use it so I plan to educate myself today. The Cappagh Hannons certainly makes sense, but without any clear proof I want to keep an open mind and look at other possibilities including the Clifden one you mentioned that keeps pinging me on Ancestry as a hint. Looking at Thomas Hannon with father Thomas Hannon born around in 1870 in Galway there's also a family in Tuam, Hannan. They had a Thomas Sept 1 1871, with other children Mary (16/1/1868), Patrick (9/1/1870), John (26/3/1874). Mother's maiden name Catherine Martyn/Martin. Kids born or baptised Tuam No.2. With the first one Thomas doesn't appear in 1901 or 1911 census which is correct as he married in England in 1892. I can't seem to find these on census and wondered if you could? Really appreciate your help and knowledge!

 

leemhannon@gmail.com

Hannon Family:

The 1874 civil birth record for John Hannan showed the family in Creggane townland which was likely a local place name.

I located this 1876 death record for a Catherine Hannan who died in 1876 at age 31 with the informant Thomas Hannan. They lived in Castlegrove townland at that time which is in Kilbennan civil parish which is just west of Tuam. Possibly this record was for Catherine Martyn Hannon.

See sixth record   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

There were no Hannons in Castlegrove in the 1901 census.

Roger

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

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