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I need someone to give me insperation. I am trying without success to find my grandmothers details. She was born to the Hillis family Samuel 1862-1952 and Lizzie 1862-1932. They were noted as having 11 children in the 1911 Kings Co census. I have records of my grandmother with the name of Lillie /Elizabeth on marriage and death records but cannot find any birth census records for a Lillie or Elizabeth. I have traced all the other sisters with history so she is not one of them. One child seems to be missing from all records even though they have moved around and registered the other children

Can someone please give me some ideas

thankyou!

Sue

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Sue:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Could you let us know the names of the other children and also what year Lillie/Elizabeth was born. In addition to the five children shown on the 1911 census  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Eglish/Glens/552002/   I located C. Florence (20) and C. Lavinia (18) as servants to a C of I pastor in Tipperary http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ardmoyle/Ardmayle_East/840536/  and Harriet (16) as a servant to a Lord in Birr.  So that leaves three more children.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Sue:

One other question. What was the maiden name of the mother?

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Sue:

I found three civil birth records for Mary Alice, William and Margaret Josephine which unless I added wrong brings us to eleven children.

Roger

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02695/1992371.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02430/1905046.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02618/1966260.pdf

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Roger

Yes this is the right marriage. Mother was Elizabeth Berry. There is a William and a James listed but they are the same person. The record for William is correct. This family go by different names and dates are a real jumble. We don't know Lilys/Elizabeths dob. She was called Lillie Ditta in 1912 when she had Elizabeth in Birr by an Indian Barrister. (which I'm sure would have caused a stir then) the barrister Tekoo Ram Ditta has a trail on him including his records from Grays Inn. 

Can't find marriage. She had my father Lionel in London in 1913-unknown father. In 1918 she married Angelo Cardosi age 28.in 1939 she is in Westminster as Lillian Cardosi dob 11/2/91, can't find any birth record to match. She is in electrol register in London in 1940/50.

She died in 1962 in Holburn aged 74. Name listed as Lillie Cardosi, otherwise Elizabeth. 

There is a history trail on the other 10 children. I ve searched birth records just for Hillis girls over a wide period to this family and nothing which considering they moved around and registered the others is strange. 

I Don't have enough info to pick her up in the census. 

She is remembered by several of the grand children of her siblings as Lily but that's about it. 

If I can help with any other info please let me know 

Many thanks 

Sue

 

Sue

Yes I've seen that one but again no birth records to match! 

Sue

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