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Stockman/ Northern Ireland

I am looking for information on my grandparents who were from Northern Ireland. I only have alittle information I received when in Dublin Ireland 2017. Would want to find out what parrish they attended,places of employement,If they traveled to the states,What part of Northern Ireland they were from? Also there death certificates.Would you know if there are any photographs available? Thank you

James Stockman

Birth year:1882

Age:48

Martial Status: Married

Birth place: Northern Ireland

Tillie Stockman

Birth year:1888

Age:42

Martial status: Married

Birth place: Northern Ireland

James Stockman

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The only James Stockman birth I can find around 1882 was one born on 21.6.1881 to James Stockman and Louisa Finlay. They were not married. The birth address was Killowen St, Coleraine. I do not see that child in the 1901 Irish census but this looks to be him, with his widowed mother, in the 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/…

I also searched up to 1921 for a Tillie/Matilda who married a James Stockman in Ireland but could not find one. Nor could I find any children born to those parents.

Can you give us some more information about them? Where do the ages 48 and 42 come from? Is that when they died? If so, how do you know that? Presumably either your father or mother is descended from them. What’s the relevant parent’s name, and where and when were they born?

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

That photo does resemble my dad alittle. My dad hasn't heard of a Louisa Finlay but has to be true they were together.

The print out I received when in Ireland in 2017 says that James and Tillie/Matilda Stockman had 6 kids all were born in Pennsylvania. I'm not sure about the ages 48 and 42 it was just the information I received when I was in Dublin Ireland at CHQ.

My parents names are James J Stockman and Katherine J Makowski they are married to each other. My dads birthday is January 2nd 1935 and Mothers birthday is August 23rd 1948. My dad was born in Philadelphila Pa he is German and Irish and my mother was born in Philadelphia Pa and is Polish. 

James and Matilda's children

               Ages:         Birth year:

Anna M-25                 1905

George A-23               1907

Samuel J-18               1912

Walter-16                   1914

Elizabeth-14               1916

Dorothy-10                 1920

James Stockman

There is  a tree on Ancestry  (Stockman/Zorr tree) which states that James Stockman was born 10.1.1879 in Magherafelt in Co. Derry/Londonderry to William Stockman (1845-1893) and Elizabeth Boyd (1845 – unknown).

James arrived in PA in 1900, so doesn’t show in any Irish censuses. He married Matilda Morrison on 29.6.1903 in Philadelphia, PA.

James’ birth on the family tree appears to be incorrect. I did find a birth to those parents. It was on 31.12.1875 at Moneyguiggy, parish of Ballynascreen, near Magherafelt. His father was a labourer. I noted some siblings: Eliza 9.2.1871, Wm 10.9.1872, Margaret 9.6.1874, Sarah 20.1.1878 & Samuel 13.11.1879, Johnston 24.3.1885 at Moneyguiggy. There were others.

William Stockman died 25.4.1893 in Tobermore, aged 48. His widow was the informant. This looks is her in the 1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Tobermore/…

According to the family tree, Matilda Morrison was born 11.2.1885 in Ballymoney. Co Antrim. Her father was James Morrison. However I cannot find a birth that matches that information in Irish records. There is however a birth on 11.2.1886 in Dervock for Matilda Boreland. That child was illegitimate and no father’s name is shown on the birth certificate.  The mother was Matilda Boreland, general servant, and the informant was Mary Jane Boreland of Dervock (The child’s grandmother). Morrison is probably Matilda’s father’s name. There doesn’t appear to be any other reason why she might have used it.

The tree says Matilda Morrison sailed to PA in April 1901. According to the family tree this is her in Dervock, Co Antrim in 1901 just a few days before sailing to the US:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dervock/Dervock_Village/945636/

Matilda Boreland was born in Kirkhill to William Boreland and Mary Jane Kane. He was a labourer.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

The parents looked to have married in Ballymoney in Ballymoney St James Presbyterian church on 25.11.1858. William was living in Moycraig at that time. His father was William, a labourer. Mary was living in Ballymoney. Her father Henry was a shoemaker.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

It is awesome to find out my family's irish history on here I been searching all over and come across this site through a group on facebook. When I found out my family started out in Northern Ireland when in ireland I felt proud of my family's history and even stepped foot in Derry Ireland.

So my great grand parents were William and Elizabeth then James and Matilda with having a lot of kids. Did Matilda or any of the Stockman's sail with a lot of people on a boat to New York City?

I have so many questions but dont't know where to start but would you know how I could get all this information to put on a family tree or book or anything.

I been looking into getting my ireland passport and knowing I have family in ireland says I would need a birth certificate and death certifcate also a marriage certifcate of my great grand parents.

would there be a way for me to get them on here or would i have to go somewhere else? Would you be able to find any other photos of my family in ireland of the ones you have told me about?

 

James Stockman

You can put the information on-line yourself by using any of the companies such as Ancestry. (You would need to join and pay a fee for access to most of the sites). If you want to publish it as a book, there are simple do it yourself books available on the internet.

I don’t have access to any photos of your family. You would need to find any living descendants and ask them for that. Matilda Bor(e)land (snr) looks to have had another illegitimate child named Elizabeth born in Dervock on 16.8.1902 (no father’s name given).

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

So that Elizabeth may well have married and have living descendants but you would probably need to employ a professional researcher to investigate that. Matilda and Elizabeth in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dervock/Dervock_Town/129410/

Likely death for Matilda Boreland on 19.2.1937 aged 67 in the Ballymoney registration area. You can view that death certificate on the GRONI site (see below). The informant’s name might give you a clue as to what happened to Elizabeth. Matilda does not appear to have left a will.

I looked at the passenger list for Matilda Morrison’s journey to New York. (She arrived in New York on 27.4.1901 on the Laurentian. She was not travelling with anyone named Stockman. The other passengers were all young single women who were servants. Presumably all looking for work in the US. I would say Matilda was travelling alone.  It’s some distance from Dervock to Magherafelt and I doubt Matilda knew James Stockman in Ireland. I’d guess they met in the US. (James went to the US in 1900. Matilda was about 13 then. They’d hardly have been acquainted in Ireland).

The Stockmans seem to have been a large family. James must have had about 9 siblings, so presumably he too has some family still in Ireland. But again finding them may take a bit of work. It’s not always very easy tracing forward to living descendants due to the lack of availability of recent records.

If you are applying for an Irish passport you will need certified copies of the relevant certificates showing that you are descended from a grandparent born in Ireland. You can order a copy of Matilda’s birth certificate from GRONI in Belfast for £15 (sterling) or from GRO Roscommon in Co Roscommon for €20 (euros).  The GRONI option is slightly cheaper. Here’s how to contact GRONI. You can order certificates on-line from that site:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

GRO Roscommon: https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

Here’s some general advice about obtaining Irish citizenship. I am not an expert in Irish nationality law and procedures and if you have any legal questions you might want to consult a lawyer or immigration advisor who does have those skills.

As far as I am aware, you cannot claim Irish nationality through the birth of a great grandparent. Birth of a grandparent in Ireland does normally allow you to claim Irish citizenship but there are several steps to go through. Firstly, you will need certified copies of all the relevant birth and marriage certificates showing the link back to the person born in Ireland.

Secondly, if you are claiming through a father or mother who was not themselves born in Ireland, you need to apply to get their birth registered as an Irish Foreign birth. That takes about 6 months and costs €278 (euros). Once you obtain that document from Dublin, you can then apply for your Irish passport. (Not before). There’s reportedly a 3-month delay for new applicants and a face to face interview is also required. So you usually have to go to an Irish Embassy or Consulate for an interview. The passport itself costs €80.

Fuller information here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html

 

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hello, Would you know if there is a date for James Stockman when he died? His birth was
10-1-1879. Thank you

James Stockman

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