Hello Tigercos,
I found a transcription for the marriage of John Cosgrave and Elizabeth Clowds, showing they were married in St. Audoen's Church of Ireland, Dublin, on 5 June 1718 by license, and by a clergyman named Mr. Derrey.
The transcription is from the free irishgenealogy.ie website, and can be accessed at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=25f2196b3b-9306
Attached to the transcription is a link that brings you to a copy of the original St. Audoen's Parish register of baptisms and marriages for the years 1717 and 1718, held by the National Library of Ireland. Download the register at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/church/d-116-1-1-171.pdf
There are two facing pages of the register. The marriage for John and Elizabeth is on the left-hand page. Scroll down the page until you come to the June 1718 subheading, number 5.
For more information about St. Audoen's Church of Ireland, which is the "the only remaining medieval parish church remaining" in Dublin, go to the heritageireland.ie website link at: https://heritageireland.ie/places-to-visit/st-audoens-church-visitor-centre/
This church is not to be confused with the nearby St. Audoen's Catholic Church. See the dublinireland.uk link at: https://dublinireland.uk/medieval-quarter/st-audoens-church-of-ireland/
For more details about the heritage of St. Audoen's Church of Ireland, and for a slide presentation of the interior and exterior of the church, go to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website link at: https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/50080557/saint-audoens-church-of-ireland-church-dublin-city
A modern Map of Dublin from the Buildings of Ireland website, shows the location of St. Audoen’s Park/Church of Ireland, situated just to the west of St. Audoen’s Roman Catholic Church: https://tinyurl.com/nutn9t8a
Attached to this reply is an Ordnance Survey Map of Dublin City from the 1829 to 1841 time period, showing the location of St. Audoen's Church of Ireland, indicated by the orange arrow. Immediately to the east is the St. Audoen's Catholic Church, in the form of a large cross, indicated by the green arrow.
Later in this reply you’ll see a reference to Wood Quay.
Wood Quay on the Ordnance Survey Map noted above, is indicated by the double black arrow in the Parish of St. John's.
The Ordnance Survey Map comes from the Tailte Eireann website.
The St. Mary Shandon Cork Find A Grave entry for John Cosgrove you provided includes a photo of a handwritten note for the marriage of John Cosgrove and Elizabeth Cloud. The photo was submitted by DBabin-Lambert.
I magnified the section of the note for John and Elizabeth's marriage, which reads:
"Cosgrove John of the
parish of St. Mary's
Dublin Carrier
And Clouds Elizabeth of
the parish St. Audoens
Dublin spins dated
the 3rd day of June 1718."
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The handwritten marriage note is off by two days, as John and Elizabeth were married on June 5, according to a copy of the original marriage record. The note also specifies that Elizabeth Cloud was a "spins," which is an abbreviation for "spinster," that is, an unmarried woman.
The note also shows that John was from the Parish of St. Mary's, Dublin.
At first glance it looks like John's occupation was "Carver," but I believe his occupation was actually, "Carrier."
The Dictionary of Old Occupations from the www.familyresearcher.co.uk website, notes that a Carrier was a "driver of (horse-drawn) vehicles for transporting goods."
Attached to this reply is another Ordnance Survey Map of Dublin, showing that the Parish of St. Mary's is north of the River Liffey from St. Audoen's Parish, which is south of the River Liffey.
Concerning County Cork, I didn't find any information that the John Cosgrove who married Elizabeth McManus, and who had a son William born circa 1812 in County Cork, was the same John Cosgrove who would later marry Elizabeth Clouds in Dublin City in 1718.
Unfortunately the irishgenealogy.ie website has not digitized Church of Ireland parish registers for Cork City, according to information at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/irish-records/records/
This means I wasn't able to find a baptism record for John Cosgrove, or a marriage record for him and Elizabeth McManus, or the baptism of their son William circa 1712.
ELIZABETH CLOUDS 1696
Back to Dublin, I found the baptism transcription for an Elizabeth "Clouds," who was baptized in St. John's Church of Ireland, Dublin, on 11 December 1696. Her father is William Clouds. Her mother is Amy, whose maiden name is not recorded. The transcription is from the irishgenealogy.ie website. See: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=19d58ec1c8-24428
The transcription is linked to a copy of an original baptism record, which you can access at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/church/d-328-1-2-144.pdf
Elizabeth's baptism is on the right-hand baptism register page, second entry below the "Decembr 96.”
The original baptism record gives the additional information that Elizabeth and her family were living in Wood Quay in 1696, and that Elizabbeth was “(2 d oud bap:,” meaning she was two days old when she was baptized.
This is circumstantial evidence that the Elizabeth Clouds baptized in the St. John's Church of Ireland may be the Elizabeth Clouds who married John Cosgrove on 5 June 1718, as Woods Quay, in the Parish of St. John's, is just to the east St. Audoen's Civil Parish and St. Audoen's Church of Ireland Parish.
The circumstantial evidence is based on the facts that Elizabeth was born near St. Audoen's, and that she would have been of marriageable age in 1718. Having been born in 1696, Elizabeth would have turned 22 years old in 1718.
Marriages traditionally took place in the bride's parish, but there is the possibility that Elizabeth moved to St. Audoen's Civil Parish sometime before 1718.
Next, I looked for the marriage record for a William Clouds and a bride named Amy, anywhere in Dublin at the irishgenenalogy.ie website, but didn't find a marriage transcription.
MARY CLOUDS 1695
I also looked for the baptism of any more children of William Clouds and Amy, and found a baptism transcription, showing that their daughter Mary Clouds was baptized in St. Audoen's Church of Ireland on 14 July 1695. Her father is “Wm.” Her mother is "Emey," which would be the alternate spelling for Amy. Emey's maiden name, unfortunately, is not recorded.
Mary Cloud's baptism transcription from the irishgenealogy.ie website can be accessed at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=1d928783dd-25260
A copy of Mary's original baptism record, from the National Library of Ireland, can be found at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/church/d-116-1-1-055.pdf
You'll have to scroll down the left-hand page until you come to the July 1695 baptism entries to locate Mary’s baptism.
CLOUDS TWINS 1699
I then found a baptism transcription for "Clouds," twins baptized in St. John's Church of Ireland on 22 January 1699. No first names of the parents or children are provided in the transcription from the irishgenealogy.ie website: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=19d58ec1c8-24792
A copy of the original baptism register entry for the Clouds children is on the right-hand page of the register under the January 1698/99 subheading: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/church/d-328-1-2-154.pdf
The baptism entry reads:
"son & daughter of___&___Clouds
Merchant of the Wood Key baptized at days oud."
The baptisms appear to refer to the son and daughter of William Clouds, Merchant of Wood Quay, and his wife Aime.
Are there any twins in your family history?
AIME CLOUDS 1701
Aimy Clowds was baptized 2 November 1701 in the St. John's Church of Ireland, Dublin. She is the daughter of William Clouds and Aimy.
See the baptism transcription at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=19d58ec1c8-25272
A copy of the original baptism record can be accessed at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/church/d-328-1-2-167.pdf
Her baptism is located on the right hand page, first entry under the November 1701 subheading.
The baptism record reads:
"Aimy D of William Clouds Merchant of
ye Woodkey & Aimy his wife baptized at 6 dais old"
At 6 "dais" old on 2 November, Aime would have been born on October 27, 1701.
MARY CLOUDS 1704
Mary was baptized in St. John's Church of Ireland on 23 June 1704. Her parents are William Clouds and Aimy Clouds. See the transcription at: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=19d58ec1c8-25692
A copy of the original baptism record entry for Mary can be found on the right-hand page, 6th entry below the June subheading: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/church/d-328-1-2-173.pdf
The original baptism record gives the further information that William was a Merchant of Wood Key and that Mary was "baptized at 2 days old."
The Clouds baptism records show that all the children of William and Amy Clouds, except for Mary, were baptized in St. John’s Church of Ireland. Mary was baptized in St. Audoens.
The St. John’s Church of Ireland, as William and Amy Clouds knew it, no longer exists, in Fishamble Street, Dublin, having been rebuilt in 1773, and demolished in 1884, but it does have an interesting history.
Of note is that the St. John’s parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and burials, is the oldest surviving parish register in Ireland, dating back to the year 1619.
The full name of the church was the Church of St. John the Evangelist.
For more information about the church go to the Grokipedia link at: https://grokipedia.com/page/church_of_st_john_the_evangelist_dublin
An Ordnance Survey Map attached to this reply shows the location of Fishamble Street in St. John’s Parish, Dublin, from the 1829 to 1841 time period. The black arrow points to the location of Fishamble Street, which heading north toward the River Liffey, was the dividing point between the Wood Quay and Essex Quay.
The following link will take you to a Google Map of Fishamble Street: https://tinyurl.com/22hbv6tm
This Google Street View looking south, shows the location of the famous Christ Church Cathedral on the corner of Fishamble Street and Christ Church Place: https://tinyurl.com/6ez2tyy5
Another Google Street View is of Fishamble Street looking north toward Wood Quay, and buildings on the north side of the River Liffey: https://tinyurl.com/bdezzvjk
Also see: https://tinyurl.com/39vxsrxu
Concerning St. Mary's Church, Shandon Street, Cork City: The Find A Grave entry is not correct, stating that this entry is for St. Mary's.
See the Find A Grave entry at: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2806487/st.-mary's-shandon
The photo you see in the Find A Grave entry is actually that of St. Anne's Church of Ireland. Compare the Find A Grave photo with the photo of St. Anne's Church of Ireland and graveyard, Church Street, Cork City, from the visitcorkcity.com website: https://visitcorkcity.com/st-annes-church-and-shandon-bells-cork/
You'll see that the clock tower, triple tiered steeple, and corner quoins of St. Anne's in Church Street, are the same features as seen in the photo in the Find A Grave entry.
The following link will take you to information and another photo of St. Anne's Church and Churchyard: https://www.stanneshandon.ie/explore/st-annes-church/
I found an entry at the RootsChat website concerning St. Mary's in Shandon Street, Cork. The entry was submitted by a person who goes by the name of celtic liberty, who posted the following information:
"Back in the 1800's there was a Church of Ireland named St Marys at the end of Shandon Street. This was taken down in 1879 when St Marys church of Ireland, in Sundays Well Cork was consecrated. So there was a St Marys in 1900's quite near to Shandon Street."
Celtic liberty didn't mention if St. Mary's had its own graveyard.
See the RootsChat page where celtic liberty's post can be found: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=555644.0
Attached to this reply is an Ordnance Survey Map of Cork City from the 1829 to 1841 time period. The orange arrow on the map points to St. Anne's Church of Ireland and adjoining graveyard.
The black arrow points to the location of the former St. Mary's Church, Shandon Street, just across from Blarney Lane. Today Blarney Lane is called Blarney Street. The Ordnance Survey Map does not show the presence of a graveyard adjacent to St. Mary's Church.
The following link will take you to a Google Street View of Blarney Street where it T-junctions into Shandon Street. Straight ahead you'll see an iron gate between two block pillars. St. Mary's, I believe, would have been located just on the other side of the iron gate: https://tinyurl.com/v3p2p84e
The next link will take you to Find A Grave's, St. Anne's Church of Ireland Church and Graveyard: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2710460/st.-anne's-church-of-ireland-church-and-graveyard
Information at the Find A Grave entry for St. Anne's states..."The church was constructed in 1772 and the graveyard attached is surrounded by high stone walls. There are very few grave markers remaining within the graveyard, but three chest tombs remain. There are a number of headstones placed horizontally along the gables of the church and along the base of the western wall of the graveyard. The graveyard is no longer in use."
Knowing this, it's an open question whether your William Cosgrove's grave marker would still exist in the St. Anne's churchyard.
Then too, there is also the consideration that William Cosgrove may not have been buried St. Anne's graveyard.
SUGGESTIONS
Concerning St. Mary's Shandon Church of Ireland parish registers, contact the Church of Ireland's Representative Church Body (RCB) in Dublin, to see if the parish registers for St. Mary's Shandon, from the 1600s and 1700 are available to research in their library.
The RCB will also be able to tell you about the availability in their library of the St. Audoen, Dublin, Church of Ireland parish registers; the St. John, Dublin, Church of Ireland parish registers; and St. Mary's Church of Ireland, Dublin, parish registers, if you would like to do more research into baptisms, marriages, and burials for those Dublin parishes.
The email address for the RCB is: rcb.library@rcbcoi.org
The Genealogy page for the RCB can be found at: https://store.ireland.anglican.org/genealogy
The RCB Library is located at:
Braemor Park, Churchtown
Dublin 14
D14 N735
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Before traveling to Ireland this coming July, one of the free options you may want to consider is the Meet and Greet program sponsored by Ireland Reaching Out.
Under the Meet and Greet program you may be able to meet volunteers familiar with the areas of Dublin City and Cork City that you'll be visiting.
For example, you can fill out one Meet and Greet application to see if there is a volunteer available who is familiar with St. Audoen's and the St. John’s/Wood Key areas of the Dublin, south of the River Liffey, and St. Mary’s north of the River Liffey.
You would need to fill out another application to see if there is a volunteer familiar with the St. Anne's Shandon, Cork City area. A volunteer familiar with the Shandon area of Cork City may also be aware of more information about the former St. Mary's Church of Ireland, which had been situated along lower Shandon Street.
To access the Meet and Greet application form, go to: https://irelandxo.com/meet-and-greet
There is no charge to fill out the applications, or to meet with local volunteers in Ireland.
If you go to the Ireland Reaching Out homepage, click on the Meet & Greet prompt at the top of the page. You'll then be able to read several accounts about people who successfully connected with Meet & Greet volunteers in Ireland.
Kind Regards,
Dave Boylan
SOURCES
irishgenealogy.ie
National Library of Ireland
heritageireland.ie
dublinireland.uk
National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland
Tailte Eireann: Ordnance Survey Maps
Find A Grave
FamilySearch: Dictionary of Old Occupations
Grokipedia
Google Maps
Google Street Views
RootsChat
Representative Church Body
Ireland Reaching Out: Meet and Greet
