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Seeking information on David Glynn of Antrim...

Thanks in advance for any insight or guidance that can be provided.

I'm seeking information on David Glynn (or Glyn, Glenn, Glen) born around 1745, that emigrated to Savannah, Georgia, around 1773/1774 with his wife, Rosanna(h) (born 1753) who apparently married just prior to migration. They emigrated from Antrim to Savannah, Georgia, with some records stating 1773 and others 1774. Attached is a short biography of David Glynn from South Carolina (US) Legislative records.

How would I found out the ship name or passenger list verifying the emigration from Antrim to Savannah, GA?

Are there any Glynns (or variations of Glynn) on this message board that have ancestors that migrated to America just prior to the Revolutionary War?

Thanks!

hurricaneglenn…

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There are very few passenger lists for ships that sailed to north America in the 1700s. They weren’t introduced until the 1800s. There are some records from other sources. It was common at that time for passengers who had a safe journey to write an open thank you letter to the Captain which would be published in Irish newspapers.  (It acted as a reference for the Captain for his next voyage). Some of those have been gathered together, along with correspondence from emigrants, on the Irish Emigration Database (IED) at the Mellon Library in Omagh, Co Tyrone. You could search it.

Researching ancestors in Ireland in the 1700s is notoriously difficult. Few records exist.  Your ancestors left around the time that Rev Martin organized 5 boatloads of emigrants from Ulster to the Carolinas. There’s a wealth of material on what happened to them after they arrived, and almost nothing on their lives in Ireland or where they came from.

You haven’t said what denomination your family was but the majority were Presbyterian. (So Scottish origins originally). There are about 4 Presbyterian churches in Co Antrim with records for the 1700s (out of perhaps 150 congregations). Antrim town, Larne, Belfast Rosemary St, Lisburn spring to mind. You could get a researcher to look at those old records but that apart, there’s not much material to search.

Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.

The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you so much for the advice, Elwyn, I'll follow up with the sources mentioned.

On the religion question, he was noted as a member of a newly developed Presbyterian Church in South Carolina shortly after emigrating called Kings Creek Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church in Newberry, SC. A link on it's history any a list of those burried in the cemetary can be found here: http://genealogytrails.com/scar/newberry/kings_creek_church.htm . While a Rev. Martin is not mentioned, it does go into detail about the church's formation - "King's Creek Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church was founded in 1772 by the Rev. John Renwick, a Scots-Irish Seceder from County Antrim, Ireland.  The nucleus of the first congregation was composed of Renwick's parishioners in the old country, most of whom came to South Carolina in 1767, 1770, and 1772.  Other early settlers of Newberry county, regardless of their denomination, worshiped with the Seceders in the congregations of King's Creek and Cannon Creek.  Tradition has it that "This Rev. John Renwick is believed to have been a descendant of the family of Rev. James Renwick, the last martyr of Scotland, who suffered February 18, 1688 (Annals of Newberry p. 674)." I'm including this info for anyone else that happens to search the message board with ties from Ireland to South Carolina.

Best - David

hurricaneglenn…

David,

It sound as though your ancestors were Covenanters (also known here and in Scotland as Reformed Presbyterians). It’s probably possible to find out a little more about the Rev James Renwick. He will have attended one of the 4 Scottish Universities (Glasgow, Edinburgh, St Andrews or Aberdeen, then called Marischal College) because it wasn’t possible for Presbyterians to take a theology degree in Ireland till the 1840s. The universities keep good records and may find some bio about when he attended and where his home was. The Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast also has a record of the lives of all Presbyterian Ministers in Ireland (including secession Ministers).  They might be able to add a few snippets about him.

https://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com

The problem with Covenanter Ministers in Ireland – and there were only about 7 or 8 of them before 1800 – was that they didn’t have churches (mostly conducting services in a borrowed barn or in the open air) and they covered a wide area. So though you sometimes can nail down their family background, you can’t use that to say where their congregation came from. The Rev Martin for example, preached from Donegal to Co Down, eventually splitting his territory with one other Minister. And the Rev Martin advertised in the papers for passengers, so some are not his flock at all. Here’s a bit about him which may give a sense of the times:

Source: http://genforum.genealogy.com/martin/messages/27682.html

“Our immigrant ancestor…was part of a large group of Presbyterians who followed an emigration led by the Reverend William Martin in 1772. Several Presbyterian pastors led their congregations in emigrations from Ulster to America in the decade following Rev. Dr. Thomas Clark's emigration from Ballybay, Northern Ireland to New York Colony in 1764. The most notable of these was the Martin emigration of Covenanter Presbyterian in 1772 from the area of Kellswater in central County Antrim, now part of Northern Ireland."

"In 1750 Presbyterians from Octoraro, Virginia, and North Carolina, came to South Carolina and settled at Rocky Creek. By 1755 Irish immigrants, many of them Covenanters, began arriving. Various groups (Associate, Covenanter, Burgher, Anti-Burgher, Seceders) formed the "Catholic" (meaning a union of various groups of Presbyterians) church on Rocky Mount Road, 15 miles southeast of Chester. In 1770 Covenanters began holding society meetings and wrote to Ireland for a minister. Reverend William Martin answered the call in 1772."

"The Rev. William Martin was the only Covenanter minister in counties Down and Antrim at that time. In 1760 he resided at Kellswater, in the townland of Carnaghts in the Parish of Connor. He had oversight responsibility for societies at Cullybackey, Laymore, Cloughmills, and Dervock. He preached also in Londonderry and Donegal. The Presbytery was founded in 1743 and Kellswater became the center in 1760."

"There were five ships in the emigration led by Reverend Martin, all of which sailed in 1772. The first two sailed from Larne, the next two from Belfast, and the last one from Newry. The emigrants settled throughout western South Carolina, many in the Abbeville area. Reverend Martin himself settled in the general area of Abbeville, South Carolina (Rocky Creek in Chester County). After the British burned his church in 1780, he took refuge in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina.”

“The James and Mary sailed first on August 25 from Larne. There was smallpox on board (five children died) when they arrived in Charleston harbor on October 16. They were required to remain on board in quarantine, lying off Sullivan's Island for over seven weeks, until the first part of December.” Ulster Emigration to Colonial America: 1718-1775. Dickson, P:253.; English America: American Plantations & Colonies. Thomas Langford, contains ship lists of voyages to English America from 1500 to 1825; The Vessels, Voyages, Settlement and People of English America, 1500-1825.

“The next ship to sail was the Lord Dunluce that left Larne on October 4 and arrived in Charleston on December 20. This is the only ship that listed "Rev. Wm. Martin (Kellswater)" as an agent. The original sailing date was to have been August 15. The sailing was delayed until August 20, and then rescheduled for September 22. On August 28, the ship announced that passengers must give earnest money by September 5 since a greater number had offered to go than could betaken. On September 15, the ship advertised that, since some families had drawn back, two hundred more passengers could be accommodated. Reverend Martin was on this ship when it finally sailed on October 4. One man and several children died of small pox on the trip.” Dickson, P:254.

“The Pennsylvania Farmer, whose destination had originally been advertised as Philadelphia, sailed from Belfast on October 16 and arrived in Charleston on December 19.” Dickson, P:248.

“The Hopewell sailed from Belfast on October 19 and arrived in Charleston on December 23.” Dickson, P:248.

“The Freemason sailed from Newry on October 27 and arrived in Charleston on December 22” Dickson, P:252.

“According to Council Journal 37, Province of South Carolina, under date of 6 Jan. 1773, the brigantine Free Mason, out of Ireland (port not specified), discharged at Charles Town, South Carolina, the following among its Irish Protestant immigrant passengers who were authorized the amount of land, in South Carolina, indicated opposite their names:

(55 listed passengers alphabetized here by surnames - Land Warrant Petitions with number of acres)

Anderson, Hugh . ..100

Barnes, George . . .100

Beard, Jean . . .100 (Listed separately)

Beard, Margaret . . .100 * Listed together in this order

Beard, William . . .100 *

Bigham, Margaret . . .150

Breden, James . . .300

Brown, John . . .300

Coapling, Charles . . .150 * Listed together in this order

Coapling, Alexand(er) . . .100 *

Coapling, William, Jun'r ... 100 *

Coapling, Jane . . .100 *

Coapling, Charles . . .100 (Listed separately)

Coapling, William . . .350 (Listed separately)

Cox, James . . .300

Daniels, Margaret . . .100

Eger, Emila . . .100

Fleman, John . . .100

Foster, Isabella . . .100 * Listed together in this order

Foster, James . . .100 *

Foster, William . . .300 *

Foster, Sarah . . .100 *

Gorley, Hugh . . .100

Hall, John . . .250

Livingston, Isaac . . .300

McClurkam, Richard . . .150 (Listed "Rich'd")

McGreary, Edward . . .100

McKay, Samuel . . .450

McKee, William . . .250

McKnight, John . . .350 (Listed separately)

McKnight, Mary . . .100 * Listed together in this order

McKnight, Jane . . .100 *

McKnight, Margaret . . .100 *

McLeland, Thomas . . .100

McMachor, Arthur . . .100

Mullen, John . . .100

Nisbett, Jonathan . . .100 (Listed separately)

Nisbett, Robert . . .400 (Listed separately)

Paterson, Samuel . . .350 (able to pay for land)

Patterson, Mary . . .100 (unable to pay for land)

Presley, Mary . . .100

Pressley, John . . .300

Reynolds, William . . .450 (Listed "Wm.")

Richey, John . . .100

Riddle, John . . .300

Shane, William . . .100

Stevenson, Catherine . . .100 (Listed "Cath'n")

Stuart, Charles . . .100 (Listed "Chas.")

Taylor, Andrew . . .200

Thomson, Henry . . .200 * Listed together in this order

Thomson, William . . .100 *

Thomson, Robert . . .100 *

Thomson, John . . .100 *

Thursdale, John . . .250

Wilson, James . . .100”

"In the Province of South Carolina in 1773, land was granted under the Crown, as follows: Single man or woman (16 yrs. of age or older) - 100 acres Married man or widow - 100 acres for self and 50 acres for each child under 16 years Married woman - none."

"Prior to this time, the "Bounty Act" had expired and no bounty could be paid to the individuals. There was, therefore, no list of the passengers for the purpose of determining "family rights". Family members and other individual passengers who were not eligible (e.g., under 15) to petition for free land (still available under the eighth clause of the General Duty Act of June 14, 1751) are not listed."

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

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