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Searching for grand parents of John Joseph Boylan

My great grand father was John Joseph Boylan born 14th October 1855 in Dublin and baptised on 15th October 1855 in St Agathas RC Church. His parents (my great great grandparents) were John Boylan and Mary Barnewall, based on his Baptismal record, who were married on 29th January 1849 in St Colmcilles Swords RC Church Dublin.

I am trying to locate who were the parents of each of my great great grand parents: i.e. John Boylan and Mary Barnewall (Alternate spelling Barnwell).

I believe from the Marriage Certificate and Church marriage register for John Joseph Boylan to Eliza Fitzgerald on 6th July 1873 that at least John Joseph Boylans father (John Boylan) was deceased. His mother Mary Boylan (nee Barnewall) may have living or deceased.

Any help in tracing who were the parents of my great great grandfather John Boylan and my great great grandmother Mary Barnewall will be greatly appreciated.

cboylan

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cboylan:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I searched on the subscription site Roots Ireland and the only baptismal record in North Dublin which would relate age-wise to an 1849 marriage is the 1827 record below. The problem is we don't know for certainty that she was born in North Dublin. If she was born and baptized in the city then records can be found at the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie For John Boylan the same process applies, the best record on Roots was an 1823 baptism but there were also records in 1813 and 1814. You will need other confirming evidence but at least you have two leads.

Have you considered DNA testing?

Roger McDonnell

Name:Mary BarnwellDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:02-Dec-1827Address:
Parish/District:SKERRIESGender:FCountyCo. Dublin
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Thomas BarnwellMother:Letitia CurryOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Richard Bisset Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Murtagh 

Name:John BoylanDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:21-Jan-1823Address:
Parish/District:SWORDSGender:MaleCountyCo. Dublin
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:John BoylanMother:Catherine TallonOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Margaret Traynor Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Not Recorded Not Recorded 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Dear Roger,

 

Thank you for your great researching work on both my great great grandparents.

Sadly, I have not been able to locate a death record for my great great grandfather as this would hopefully give an approximate age to help corroborate the  possible 1823 baptism/ birth.  One small remarkable thing about his baptism date is that this is my exact birth day and month!!!

I appreciate your efforts with Mary Barnwall as well.  This gives me something to explore further.

I have not done a DNA test but this is something that may well yield some hitherto unknown family connections - especially on the Barnwall side.

Many thanks agian.

Colin

cboylan

As a result of some wonderful help by an Ireland Reaching Out helper, Roger, McDonnell to my earlier request regarding the ancestors of my Great grandparents John Boylan and Mary Barnewell or Barnwell who were married on 29th January 1849 in St Colmcille’s Swords Roman Catholic Church.  Witnesses to the marriage were Patrick Dunne and Julia Barnewell.

 

I have now identified that John Boylan and Mary Barnewell/ Barnwell had another child.

This child was Elizabeth Mary Boylan. She was born on 13 February 1854.  She was baptised at St Agatha’s Roman Catholic Church.  The Baptismal sponsors were John English and Sarah Boylan.

 

I am seeking any help with finding out what happened to Elizabeth Mary Boylan.  I have not been able to work out if she died young, or married and raised a family, or emigrated to another country.

 

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

 

Colin Boylan

cboylan

Colin:

www.irishgenealogy.ie ; is a free site which has civil marriage records from 1864-1943. You can search for Elizabeth/Eliza Boylan marriage records. The father's name is shown for the bride and groom so look for records where John Boylan is the father.

The same site has civil death records starting 1864, however, only index records are available for 1864-1877 and full records from 1878 on.

I would search these two sources for leads.

Roger

 

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Dear Roger,  Thank you very much for your reply and for the kind offer to start the search process.

I am a little surprised that I found only Elizabeth Mary Boylan in addition to John Jospeh Boylan as children of John Boylan and Mary Barnewell/Barnwell.  There is a 5 year period 1849 - 1854 when Elizabeth Mary Boylan was born where tere seems to be no children born/baptised.  My researching into John Jospeh Boylan suggests that John Joseph Boylan's father, John Boylan was deceased by 1873 when John Jospeh Boylan married Elizabeth Fitzgerald but that his mother Mary was living as there are some records of a  Mary Boylan being the baptismal sponsor for  some of the forst children born to John and Eliza.

 

Perhaps the effects of the Famine for the 1849-1854 period could partly explain why No Children?

Best wishes for the New Year.

Colin

cboylan

Colin:

Happy New Year!

The Famine was less of an issue in Dublin compared to the rural areas.

Sometimes, church have unexplained gaps in their records or other children were baptized in another Dublin church which for some reason does not have records for the period around 1850.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

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