Scrahan, Cork

A search of Scrahan in both Civil parishes did not show any "Leary". In page 37 for Nohavaldaly Civil parish you have a number of "Leary". Source -  Free site:  www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith's.  ;

It would be helpful if you included the birth/baptism of Patrick O'Leary and any known siblings.

Regards,

Further to previous Post, I attach a transcript of the marriage of Patrick O'Leary to Ellen Gaharin in 1898.

Other marriage records have the name of parents recorded!

A great uncle of mine arrived in Queensland in January 1877. I was able to get details of his wife's parents and his own; their children, alive and deceased.

Best Wishes,

There are trees on Ancestry for Patrick O'Leary married to Ellen G. His death record 1918 shows his parents were Denis O'Leary and Ellen Hallahan. Per Irishgenealogy Church records. They were married in 1858 in Murragh & Templemartin Parich, Cork. Some of their children were baptised there. Most of the trees show Newcestown, Cork as where they lived. They also included Scrahan which is about 38 miles away. Their daughter Julia married Felix O'Neil in 1897. Per Irishgenealogy Civil records, residence was Scrahan, Newcestown. 

Regards- Mary

 

Meant to mention that Newcestown was part of Murragh & Templemartin Parish. The trees suggest Denis died in 1907. I tried to find him on the 1901 census. Some trees include Patrick's brother Daniel who married Margaret Carroll in 1901. Per Irishgenealogy, he was living in Sranaviddoge in the Electoral Division of Teadies, in Civil Parish of Murragh, in the Barony of East Carbery (West Division), in the County of Cork (found on townland website)

He is on the 1901 and 1911 censuses. In the 1901 Denis is living there. I am guessing this is the right Daniel.

Regards- Mary 

Correction Daniel married Margaret in 1907.

Thank you to and McCoy and MaryTV for your help.

I know a reasonable amount about Patrick O'Leary. I have his Australian Marriage and Death Certificates. I know of his eleven children born in Australia and what became of them - one was my grandmother, where he lived and died, and who his parents were (from his marriage certificate). I'm happy to share what I know with anyone interested.

I have found a likely record of Patrick's parent's marriage in Murragh & Templemartin parish, however it is a handwritten 1858 parish record which shows only Daniel Leary and Ellen Hallahane and the names of two witnesses, nothing else. It's therefore not certain in my mind - especially when the parent's names are very common in that area.  I have not found any siblings' records except perhaps for baptism record for Johanna Leary (Parents: Denis Leary and Ellen Hallihane - different spelling) on 9 March 1861 in Murragh & Templemartin parish.  I have not found a birth or baptism record for Patrick which seems strange to me. Denis Leary and Ellen Leary are very common names in searches so one has to be sceptical I think.

Dan

Dan,

There are records for other children on Ancestry born in Murragh and Templemartin Parish. Unfortunately, NLI seems to only go to 1864.

Johanna was the only one that included Scrahan. Mothers' names were spelt differently.

Mary- 25 March 1863 Hallinane; Julia- 17 June 1865 Halahan; Margaret- 22 July 1869 Halahan; Daniel- 26 Sept 1871 Holland; Hanora- 5 Sept 1873 Hallahane; Timothy- 5 Sept Hallahane

Regards- Mary

Dan,

Regarding your initial question of the townlands named Scrahan, yes those are where you mentioned, but I think the place named Scrahan (e) in the RC parish of Murragh & Templemartin is where your relation is from. Scrahan is from "An Screathan" which translates to stony slope or coarse land. Regarding the records above that Mary mentioned, if you look on irishgenealogy.ie, you will find the place Scrahan(e) mentioned for those other children's births...it also indicates Murragh as the parish. 

I found a record that is attached for a Patrick Leary in Murragh & Templemartin...one year after the marriage of Denis and Ellen. However, Ellen's surname is Allen...I know that is not a variation for Hallihane (Hallinane, Hallahan)...but could it be an abbreviation for it OR did the priest get it wrong? The original record is very clear that her surname is Allen. I know it is a stretch, BUT I saw on their marriage record that one witness was Thomas Allen; and on their daughter's Mary's record, (1863) one of the sponsors was Norry Allen. I'm just throwing out some possibilities here!

Regards,

 

FYI,

Timothy went to Massachusetts.

NameTimothy Leary

Age24

Birth Yearabt 1874

Birth PlaceIreland

Marriage Date1 Sep 1898

Marriage PlaceCambridge, Massachusetts, USA

FatherDennis Leary

MotherEllen Holliran

SpouseEllen Looney

 

Thank you Carolyn for the response – much appreciated.

Based on Patrick O’Leary’s Australian marriage certificate I tried to locate Strahan, Cork as a place but with no real certainty.  That led me to read up on townlands and hence my question.

As a result of trying to locate the two Strahan townlands in Cork I stumbled across Scrahane (Irish: Sranaviddoge, I believe)  on Google Maps – an unremarkable intersection on a minor rural road.  Quite nearby I noticed a church, Church of St Martin – 1821, which I found is part of the present-day Murragh & Templemartin parish. So those stars definitely align!

I’m indebted to your experienced eye for noticing the Leary-Allen child Patrick.  It’s certainly worth exploring because it would be an ideal fit and attractive for me because I cannot find another record.  I have however been cautioned by an experienced researcher that many records of family lineage contain critical errors due to the inclusion of just one incorrect ancestor - I'll try to avoid that!  Incidentally, I recall finding a 1901 census record that had a Patrick and Ellen Leary with a resident son Patrick all of acceptable age – but not my Patrick as he was married in Australia by that date.

Again, many thanks.

Dan

Thank you too MaryTV for your response!  That list of children looks attractive especially because the majority of those names are familiar to me as children of Patrick in Australia. He had eleven children and only one son!

Dan

Dan,

This is probably Denis' death registration. If link doesn't work search civil records on Irishgenealogy (free website) Bandon District, Denis O'Leary 1907.

4546401.pdf (irishgenealogy.ie)

It has been suggested that Ellen died in 1880. If Denis and Daniel were living in Sranaviddoge, District-Teadies, CountyCork per the 1901 Census this might be her, age 44. When did your Patrick go to Australia?

4861304.pdf (irishgenealogy.ie)

Regards- Mary

 

 

Thank you Mary - amazing.  Nothing much left for me to do except sit back and tell family what a great researcher I've become!

You asked: When did your Patrick go to Australia?

Very frustrating challenge.  Heartbreaking how many left Ireland during that time and too many of them were Patrick O'Leary. There's one record I found that I would like to be his - 1885 the Duke of Buccleuch arrived in Rockhampton, Queensland via 

Thanks again Mary - those may be very helpful findings.  I will see if I can investigate Ancestry soon.

You asked:  When did your Patrick go to Australia?

It's not clear to me. I am working backwards from his definite marriage in Brisbane on 6 March 1898.

It is heartbreaking - the number of young Irish departing their birthland at this time...  I have found a Patrick O'Leary, age 29, Farmer, from Cork, was RC, could R&R, and travelled Bounty class (whatever that meant) on board the Duke of Buccleuch. It departed London on 21 July 1885 and arrived in Brisbane on 23 September. Patrick and another passenger James Leary (age 23, Carpenter, from Cork) disembarked in Rockhampton, Queensland. before the vessel continued to Brisbane. There was also a Timothy O'Leary from Co. Clare on that voyage, age 29, farm labourer. He disembarked in Brisbane.

Carolyn has found a possible 1859 baptism for Patrick which is my best prospect to date. It does not quite sync with the Patrick on the Duke of Buccleuch however. Obviously, one or perhaps both are erroneous.

 

Dan

Denis O'Leary (who married Ellen Hallihan) was the son of Daniel O'Leary and Johanna Condon. They lived in a farm in Derrycool, a townland adjacent to Scrahane. Their son Daniel (Denis' brother) is my great great grandfather.

I've haven't been able to find a baptism record for Patrick either as of yet. The 1859 record for the Patrick born of Denis Leary & Ellen Allen is a possibility of course, but I'm not entirely convinced; firstly the parish priest would have known the Allen families (by the way, the Norry Allen listed as a sponsor for Mary O'Leary's baptism was Denis' sister Hanora, who married Thomas Allen from Farnalough, Newcestown)...secondly, the first son was nearly always named after his paternal grandfather (he being Daniel), and Daniel was born to Denis Leary & Ellen Hallihane in 1871...so I have always assumed that Patrick was younger than him.

Daniel inherited the family farm in Scrahane. He and his wife Margaret (nee Carroll) didn't have any children as far as I know. He is buried in the family grave in Castletown Kinneigh (I'm not sure there is any gravestone or marker there).