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I rjust ead your email about many Scots who originally came from Ireland. My father (James H White, b.1909 in Glasgow) came to the US in 1925.  His father (Robert White, b. 1871) came from Armagh, Northern Ireland to Glasgow seeking work.  He is buried in Glasgow (d. 1918). His parents, from Armagh, were Joseph White (1839 - 1920) and Catherine Elliot (1844 - 1900). They were farmers on leased land in Armagh. The only information I have beyond that generation is Catherine Elliot's father, James (1823 - 1886).  Do you have any information that would help?

I'm also trying to uncover information about my maternal 2nd great-grandparents, Patrick Mitchell (b. 1830) and Winifred O'Neil (b. 1832).  They were both from Ireland, but I don't know where (county or parish).  They came to the US around 1851.  In fact I found a ship's manifest containing Winifred's name showing an arrival date to NY on Mar 15, 1851 on the ship George Green from Liverpool. I've found nothing on Patrick Mitchell however. Do you have anything that would help my search?

By the way, I will be in Ireland next month from Sep 1-10. Arriving in Dublin we are taking a counterclockwise tour through the Republic and Northern Ireland, returning to Dublin.

jmtwhite@opton…

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My ancestors are a little different twist.  One Thomas Wynne, born most likely in the early 1700's in Wales or England.  Allegedly served in the military and was sent to the Colony of Georgia before the American Revolution.  Not receiving a land grant from King George he returned to England and moved his family to Ireland.  I do not know just who they were until they were found in County Sligo in the late 1700's and early 1800's.  That group left Ireland during the Great Famine for America.  According to family members, Thomas' siblings also left England.  Some went to Scotland and the rest returned to Wales where they retook their original surname of Gwynne.  Although I have seen the surname of Wynne in Scotland, I have no way of knowing if they are from that group that left England in the 1700's.

 

Rich Nichols,

Greer, SC

 

 

todzwer

jmtwhite,

Joseph White’s marriage to Catherine Elliott is here:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1862/09621/5489176.pdf

Joseph was living in Annaghmore townland and Catherine in Ardress. It was a Presbyterian ceremony. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church so that tells you Loughgall Presbyterian was probably her family church. (Their records are in PRONI. Baptisms start 1842, marriages 1819).

Children to that marriage appear to be:

 

Robert 11.8.1865

Catherine 11,8 1865

Robert 16.3.1868

Margaret 6.4.1868

John 9.8.1870

Margaret 8.2.1871

William 1.5.1873

Robert 26.12.1873

Joseph 8.7.1876

You would need to check each of the births to be sure this is the right family. If children died it was normal to re-use the names to keep them alive, literally. So 3 Roberts isn't anything unusual.

One White still farming in Annaghmore in 1901, with 6 Elliots there too, so seems likely to be your family:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Annaghmore/Annaghmore/1015190/

James White was Brethren in 1901. If you want information about that I can explain. What else would you like to know?

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank-you so much for the information on the Elliot and White families Elwyn.  It is very helpful.

I'm also trying to uncover information about my maternal 2nd great-grandparents, Patrick Mitchell (b. 1830) and Winifred O'Neil (b. 1832).  They were both from Ireland, but I don't know where (county or parish).  They came to the US around 1851.  In fact I found a ship's manifest containing Winifred's name showing an arrival date to NY on Mar 15, 1851 on the ship George Green from Liverpool. I've found nothing on Patrick Mitchell however. Do you have anything that would help my search?

jmtwhite@opton…

jmtwhite,

I think that without parents names from say a marriage or death certificates, there’s not much chance of tracing either Patrick or Winifred in Ireland. Both names are fairly common.  Looking at the 1901 census there were 129 Patrick Mitchells and 6 Winifred O’Neills. Both would have been equally common in the 1830s.

Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks again Elwyn! Looking at some files and records I may have found Winifred O’Neil’s father, one John J. O’Neil from Limerick. I don’t have a birthdate for him unfortunately. Can you corroborate this possibility?

jmtwhite@opton…

I assume that Patrick Mitchell & Winifred O’Neill married in the US? If so, I’d be inclined to try and trace her marriage certificate there to see if her parents are listed. Likewise her death certificate might mention them.

With the name Winifred being relatively common, I can’t really say whether the baptism you have found is the right one. Not every parish in Ireland has records for the 1830s, and so though the Limerick baptism may be around the right time, there could be others that are not recorded in any parish register.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

I found two possibilities for Patrick and Winnefred in America

 

1860 New York City Census -

Patrick Mitchell, 40, IRE, laborer

Winifred Mitchell, 30, IRE

Ellen Mitchell, 7, NY

John Mitchell, 1, NTY

 

Also, 1960 US Census, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan

Patr Michel 30, IRE, laborer

Winneford Michel, 24, IRE

Ellen Michel, 4, MI

Catherine Michel, 1, MI

 

It is not uncommon to find incorrect spellings and ages.  I believe that you may be able to check further census records at www.familysearch.org, or other websites that have US Census records.

 

Rich Nichols

 

todzwer

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