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Samuel Love and Isabella Irwin from Cavan

Cavan

I am looking for where in Cavan Samuel Love (b. 1824) and Isabella Irwin (b. 1826) may have come from.

The only clue I have of their origins is on Isabella's death certificate where is states she born in Cavan, Ireland.

They married about 1844 and had 2 children in Ireland,

James (b. 1845) and Mary (b. 1846).

Their next child that I know of is Samuel is born in Canada in 1850.

There other children born here are named

Richard, Eliza Jane, Isabella, Fanny, Alexander, Sarah Ann and William.

I have no idea how common Love and Irwin are as surnames, but if there is any chance of finding the parish, I would love to visit it when I come to Ireland in May.

This family lists themselves as Church of England in Canada

Deb

debra.mcauslan…

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Hi Deb,  I will see what I can find, because you do not have a parish or a townland, meanwhile go through the following records and see can you find groupings of the surnames, people often married their neighbours, though I know that the non Catholic population, who were in the minority had to travel a little outside their area to mix within their own community and very often married close relatives....which was common for various reasons across all religions.

I don't know if you have looked at the following free records, though while all the images are not available online you can order copies and you will find them at www.irishgenealogy.ie this is what is held at the General Register Office (GRO) and includes all official records of Irish births, deaths and marriages from 1864 and of non-Catholic marriages from 1845, the historic indexes of which can be viewed and in these cases you are trying to bring your family within civl registration.

Elsewhere:
1. www.rootsireland.ie: This paying site has transcripts (without record-images) of most of the Roman Catholic records on the island of Ireland for areas other than those listed above. The major exceptions, where only small proportions of the records are transcribed, are counties Donegal, Monaghan and Wexford. None of the transcribed records for Clare are online. Each geographical area on the site has a "sources list" and it is essential to consult this in order to ascertain precisely what records are being searched. The site also includes transcripts of Church of Ireland, Methodist and Presbyterian registers, complete for some counties, completely absent for others.
2. www.familysearch.org: This free site run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) has transcripts, without record-images, of approximately thirty Roman Catholic parishes, mostly in counties Kerry, Cork and Roscommon.
3. www.ancestry.co.uk: This subscription site has transcripts, without record-images, of the registers of the diocese of Meath up to 1880, approximately forty parishes, as well as a copy of the LDS transcripts.
 

CHURCH RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR RESEARCH OFFLINE

1. The National Library of Ireland has microfilm copies of almost all pre-1880 Roman Catholic parish registers on the island of Ireland. Access is free and print-outs of the records are allowed. See www.nli.ie.
2. The LDS Family History Library has microfilm copies of c. 40% of Irish Roman Catholic parish registers, some copies of National Library of Ireland films, others filmed by the LDS themselves. See https://familysearch.org/catalog-search. These films can be ordered via the Family History Centers attached to most Mormon temples. 
3. Most local Roman Catholic parishes do not permit research on their original records. Callers will normally be referred to the heritage centres whose records are now almost all on www.rootsireland.ie. If necessary, contact details for local parishes can be found via www.catholicireland.net.
4. The Representative Church Body Library is the official archive of record for Church of Ireland records that survived the burning of the Public Record Office in 1922. A full list of its holdings is at http://ireland.anglican.org. All are freely searchable if they are not too fragile to be handled.
5. The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (www.proni.gov.uk) has freely available microfilm copies of almost all surviving records of all denominations for areas now in Northern Ireland, as well as a good number for areas in the border counties of Donegal, Cavan, Leitrim, Monaghan and Louth. A full list is at http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/online_indexes/church_of_ireland_index.htm.
6. Quaker records are very comprehensive back to the 17th century, with microfilm copies in NLI and PRONI. See www.quakers-in-ireland.ie.
7. Some Presbyterian records are only available locally or in the Presbyterian Historical Society. See www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com.

Also available for free at http://www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie/

There is also http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/  it is another census substitute and would give you names of people and where they lived and when you use names and places in conjunction with Tithe Applotment Books and the Census you can sometimes build up a continuation for who live in certain areas.

 

 

If you have not got a tree online, perhaps start by adding names and their families together.  Myheritage will allow you a tree for 250 people for free without any add ons and perhaps you might find a pattern or a link with names.

 

 

You could also write to the Editor at the Anglo-Celt, it is the local paper, it is not read as widespread as it used to but you never know your story may hit a note with someone you can reach them at   linda@ anglocelt.ie  give them as much detail as you have and if you have photos or a particular story it has a better chance of getting published.  I gather they do not send acknowledgements when they have published the story.  Due to cutbacks in journalism, write it as you want it published, they do not appear to edit anymore.

 

You can also contact cavangenealogy@eircom.net they charge for their service.

 

 Regards Carmel

 

 

 

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks so much Carman.  I find it difficult to find records for protestant families who left Ireland pre 1850.

With your suggestions though I have worked through the possibilities and have come up with what I think is my couple.

I had searched Family Search many times in the past, but I had only recently found out from a distant relative that Isabella's surname was Irwin, so must not have reviewed since.

There is a Samuel Love in the 1841 census for Killashandra, Cavan and there is an Isabella Irwin as well, living in an adjacent townland.

Both townlands are just northwest of a village Arva.

Samuel and Isabella's first male child is names James, and I see a James Love in the Tithe Applotment Rolls (Samuel would have been too young at that time) living in the same townland.

I am hopeful this might be his father as there is no father listed in the 1841 census.

Since these are the only ones that make any sense, I am excited that these may indeed be my people!

It appears doubtful that I will be able to see parish records from that time period.

I am so grateful though to have this "breakthrough" and will visit the area in May!

Thanks so much!

Deb

debra.mcauslan…

You are Welcome Deb, do as much research as you can before you come, then enjoy your time here.  

Regards Carmel

 

Bailieborough CavanIrelandXO Volunteer

I got in touch with a second cousin, Jim Love, on Ancestry. We share Great,Great Grandparents, Samuel and Isabella Love. It got him looking some more and he found our Great, Great, Great Grandparents Richard and Sally Love. Richard was from Tycusker and Sally was from Corhanagh. You can see from Google Satellite Maps the path between the two towns! Awesome! They lived a 36 minute walk between towns Looks like an area of lakes. I've never been drawn to the sea, but I've always like fresh water lakes and rivers.

This is in the borderland between North and South and was mixed Catholic and Protestant. My family was Protestant.

https://www.google.com/…/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s…

IrelandXO member

Hi! My name is Laurie Love and I am researching my family history. Samuel and Isabella are my Great-Great-Great-Great Grandparents. I have been struggling to find their parents. Do you have Richard and Sally's birthdays?

laurielove

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