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Ryan - Dwyer Family of Pallasgreen

I am searching for information on the family of my great-grandfather, John Dwyer Ryan. He was supposedly born 1856 (but maybe 1854), Ballyneety, Pallasgreen. His parents were Richard Ryan and Johanna Dwyer. He arrived in Sydney, NSW, Australia, onboard 'William Duthie' with his brother, Father Patrick Dwyer Ryan. JD Ryan died 25 Dec 1926, Auburn. NSW.

I think Patrick was born c1848. He was apparently ordained on 15 June 1873 by Rev Dr Leahy, Archbishop of Cashel. He was the Parish Priest of St Nicholas' Catholic Church Tamworth from Sep 1875 to his death on 25 September 1899.

Their sister, Mary Dwyer Ryan, came to Australia when her brother Patrick returned after a 12 month trip back to Ireland. They arrived on the 'Liguria' 17 May 1887. Mary married Dr Joseph Sexton on 26 Dec 1903 at St Brigid's Church, Quirindi, NSW. Apparently she returned to Ireland sometime after her husband's death in 1921.

I found what I think is a record of Richard Ryan's death, listing date & place of death, 27 Jan 1909, Knockeravella, aged 92, farmer with the informant, son Michael Ryan of Old Pallas.

From Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms, I found the following details of baptisms of children of a Richd/Richardo Ryan & Johanna Dwyer of Knockeravella, Pallasgreen & Templebredin, Cashel & Emly:

10 Mar 1846 Margarita (Margaret)

9 Jul 1848 Patritius (Patrick)

18 Dec 1849 Gulielmus (William)

7 May 1852 Denis

27 Apr 1854 John

23 Sep 1855 Richard

30 Jun 1858 Thady

23 Jan 1861 Michael

3 Aug 1863 Mary

26 Oct 1866 Daniel (Dan)

An older family member believes that Fr Philip Xavier Ryan was another son of Richard & Johanna, however I can find no information to verify or refute this. Fr Philip was priest who spent 14 years in Australia (mainly in Carcoar, NSW) from 1866 to 1880 before returning to Ireland and going the Cistercian Order of Monks at Mount Melleray. He died 30 September 1908.

I know this is long-winded but I am looking for confirmation of the above information as well as more details on Richard (DOB & marriage), & Johanna (DOB, Marriage & death).

Thanks for any assistance.

Cathryn

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Cathryn,

Record from RootsIreland (paid subscription). Children's names and baptismal years are consistent with what you presented above. I did not find Philip,

Date of Marriage:26-Apr-1845
Parish / District:PALLASGREEN & TEMPLEBREDONCounty:Co. Limerick
HusbandWife
Name:RichardRyanJohannaDwyer
Address:Derk
Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's FatherWife's Father
Name:RyanDwyer
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's MotherWife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1Witness 2
Name:WilliamDwyerMaryDwyer
Address:

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Name:John RyanDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:27-Apr-1854
Address:KnockeravallaParish/District:PALLASGREEN & TEMPLEBREDON
Gender:MaleCountyCo. Limerick
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Richard RyanMother:Johanna Dwyer
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1:John DwyerSponsor 2 /Informant 2:Mary Dwyer
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Cathryn

Possibly Richard's birth record. There was another Richard born in 1819, but father was Edmond. Since Richard's eldest son was Patrick, this seemed to fit. Siblings- Patrick 1812 (d) and 1814 and Timothy 1819

Name:Richard RyanDate of Birth:
  Date of Baptism:01-Feb-1817
Address:?Parish/District:PALLASGREEN & TEMPLEBREDON
Gender:UnknownCountyCo. Limerick
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Patrick RyanMother:Catherine Laffan
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1:Wm MaraSponsor 2 /Informant 2:Hon Ryan

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Cathryn

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Fr. Philip's death record. In 1908, he was 73 and would have been born around 1835, if his age is correct. The Irish did not celebrate birthdates, so birth years weren't always accurate unless on an official birth/ baptismal document.

Name:Philip Ryan
Date of Death:1908
Group Registration ID:5014094
SR District/Reg Area:Lismore
Deceased Age at Death:73
View record images: Image 1 Image 2 Image 3

Regards- Mary

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Might be Richard living with son in 1901. Richard's son Richard (widow) married Margaret Dwyer in 1896-

Residents of a house 6 in Cloghilawarreela (Templebredon, Limerick)

RyanRichard48MaleHead of FamilyRoman CatholickCo LimerickFarmerRead and write-Married-
RyanMargaret45FemaleWifeRoman CatholickCo Limerick-Read and write-Married-
RyanJohanna5FemaleDaughterRoman CatholickCo LimerickScholarCannot read-Not Married-
RyanMary3FemaleDaughterRoman CatholickCo Limerick-Cannot read-Not Married-
RyanRichard2MaleSonRoman CatholickCo Limerick-Cannot read-Not Married-
RyanRichard84MaleFatherRoman CatholicCo LimerickFarmerRead and write-Widower

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Name:Richard Ryan
Date of Death:1909
Group Registration ID:5033353
SR District/Reg Area:Tipperary
Deceased Age at Death:92
View record image

Richard's son Richard marriage 1896.

Party 1 Name:Richard Ryan
Party 2 Name:Margaret Dwyer
Date of Event:18/02/1896
Group Registration ID:2244956
SR District/Reg Area:Limerick
Image path:marriage_returns\marriages_1896\10485\5818534.tif
View record image

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Maybe Johanna's Death

Name:Johanna Ryan
Date of Death:1892
Group Registration ID:3827485
SR District/Reg Area:Tipperary
Deceased Age at Death:67
View record image

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Since Johanna and Richard got married in Pallasgreen & Templebredon, I assume Johanna was from there. Typically, marriages took place at the bride's church.

RootsIreland- Baptisms of Johanna Dwyer 1810-1830

1813 William D and Mary Quirke (Note - sometimes the second son is named after the mother's father's name)

1818 (d) and 1822 Michael D and Mary Quinn

1820 John D and Mary Hayes

1821 Patrick D and Johanna Ryan

1821 John D and Mary Donovan

Regards- Mary

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1901 Census shows Philip born in Tipperary

Residents of a house 3.7 in Mount Mellary (Cappoquin, Waterford)

RyanPhilip65MaleCistercianRoman CatholicCo TipperaryR. C. ClergymanRead and write-Not Married

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MaryTV,

I was amazed by such a prompt reply. Thank you so much all the information. It is greatly appreciated. 

Kind regards,

Cathryn

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Is there any site where you can find information on Roman Catholic clergy eg ordination dates, where trained etc.

I believe that Patrick Dwyer Ryan was ordained 15 June 1873.

I believe that there was another - not sure if he was Hugh Ryan or Hugh Dwyer, but he was apparently based in Dublin. If he was Hugh Dwyer he may have been Johanna Ryan (nee Dwyer)'s brother, therefore born c1810-1820.

Many thanks

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Cathryn,

I cannot assist you. You might want to post your last message about clergy as a new message. Include this message thread so a volunteer has some background.

IrelandXO | Ryan Dwyer Family Of Pallasgreen

Regards- Mary

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Thank you Mary. 

Yes I have already seen the recap in St Nicholas' history as well as some articles in Australian newspapers, however I was wanting to find more information on the Irish end, so thank you for providing other avenues of research.

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