Thank you yes I did look back and Johns Denomination was RC, it looks like the second one 1834 . I have his military papers which state he joined the army in Kilkenny at the age of 23 and a half on the 25/8/1858. I tried to work out his birth year from that. It also states in 1871 his whole family were back from Australia living in military barracks in Devon port in and at that time it states he was not 33 years old! Does that make sense? Many thanks. Rosie.