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Ruth Family

Hello,

I am looking for information on where my Ruth family came from in Ireland. I have only been able to track my ancestors history through United States records. I have also found some information in Ireland's baptisim records; however, I am unsure how to verify if it's the same family.

Here is what I know about my ancestor who was born in Ireland:

  • John E. Ruth was born in Ireland in 1839 and died in 1872 in Buffalo, New York
    • Arrived in New York, USA sometime before 1860
    • Married Josephine Murrett (born in France) sometime before 1860
    • Had two children, John Edward Ruth (b: Aug1860) and Edward J. Ruth (b: 24 Feb 1861), in New York City
  • In the 1930 US Federal Census, John Edward Ruth indicates that his father, John E. Ruth,is from the "Irish Free State".

I searched Ireland'sbaptisim records and several records came up but only one record was around 1839. However, I am not sure how I can verify if it is the same John Ruth as my ancestor. Here is the information I found in the baptism records:

  • BAPTIZED: 31 Aug 1841 in Lorrha, Tipperary, Ireland Roman Catholic
  • PARENTS: John Ruth (b:1820)and Mary Pinders
    • MARRIAGE: Mary Pinders (Penders, Pendars) on 25 Jan 1834 in Lorrha, Tipperary, Ireland
  • SIBLINGS:
    • Michael Ruth Baptized on 23 Apr 1835
    • Eliza Ruth Baptized on 1 Jan 1839
    • Margaret Ruth Baptized on 3 Jan 1845

Any recommendations on how I can determine if this is the same John Ruth or places I can search to find out more information about Ruth families in Ireland?

Thanks!

Kate

IrelandXO member

35 replies

Kate:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

This Irish Times web site http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/  shows where surnames were found in the mid-19th century Ireland. Ruth was not a common surname and was primarily found in the southeast: Kilkenny, Wexford and Laois.

Without knowing his parents names ( I assume his death record is silent) there is no way to confirm if any record you locate is the correct record.

Have you considered autosomal DNA testing. Possibly you will match someone with Ruth connections who has more information on the origins of the family in Ireland.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Kate

while I have no direct information this may interest you from McLysaghts The Surnames of Ireland. I was checking the surname Ruth out of interest and came across this section, Ruth see Rothe, Rothe is a Becoming established in Kilkenny in the 14th Century, hte family was counted among the "Ten Tribes". The name, which is from the Norse word meaning Red, has in modern times been changed to Ruth and Routh. It is now rare. 

I checked Griffiths Valuation here for the names and got a Pender in Lorrha, this comes with a little map which can be overlaid on modern maps at http://www.osi.ie/ Griffiths is here http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameS… This was done in the 1850s but no Ruths in Tipperary but Lorrha is on the border of other counties and the church registers give it http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0781 and it appears to wander into Galway and Offaly, (Kings County at the time) so you could possibly find the Pender in Loorha lived near a Ruth in one of the other counties nearby.

See also http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp If you find the two families like your baptismal certs it is a leap of faith without certs to ensure but both names are rare only coming back in the 150 range nationally I think at the time and then to find them close is indicative but as Roger said DNA testing is the clincher for you, but hope you have found the above interesting, at least the Ten Tribes gives you a story. See Rothe here http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ksurnam2.htm

Good Luck

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Roger and Pat, Thank you so much for your replies! 

Unfortuately, I have not been able to uncover any death records for John Ruth except for his tomb stone in Buffalo, NY. I have not looked into doing a DNA test but maybe I should to help with my research.

I am definitely a novice when it comes to researching my family history so all of this is extremely valuable information! Now I just need to start looking through the information Pat provided to see if I can link any of it together. The Ten Tribe is certianly an interesting story!

Thanks,

Kate

 

IrelandXO member

Hello Kate,

I see this message is a bit old now, but I am also in America researching Ruths who came from Ireland. The information I have is that Henry Ruth came from Wexford. He was illiterate, and there is a lot of variation in his date of birth between 1808 and 1819. His naturalization papers (signed with his "mark" X) give a birth date of 15 August 1819 and that he was 37 years old at that time. This fits in with his information on an 1851 census for Gloucester, MA. Later census data shows his birth date edging closer to 1808. I have his son's family bible which shows him dying in 1879 at the age of 71, and other information that he was born 4 December 1808. According to the naturalization papers he came to America via New Orleans 1 May 1834. I am having ZERO luck finding records for him in Ireland, though I do see a lot of Ruths in Wexford it doesn't look like any church records have been transcribed and I don't even know what parrish to look in. Since he was a fisherman by trade I have been assuming that it is one on the coast. His marriage record (for his second marriage, I can't find his first) shows father's name as also Henry.

I did have a DNA test done through ancestry.com, if you have had one we can see if we're related. :)

Hope you have had good luck in your research! The Ruth side has been my dead end for years.

Cordelia

IrelandXO member

Hi Cordelia,

Thank you for replying! I am always on the hunt for new information about the Ruths since I have been blocked for awhile now. My father and Uncle both did a DNA test on Ancestry.com. My "Ruth Family Tree" is public on Ancestry.com so you should be able to find it. I did not come across any Henry's during my research. 

-Kate

IrelandXO member

Hi

 

This is a late reply to all but I am also searching for more information on Ruth family from Ireland . I have a great great grandfather born in Enniacorty, County Wexford Ireland in 1835 (Richard T. Ruth) . I am not sure if this in relation to Henry Ruth, but I am open to discuss and share more information. 

-Caitlin

IrelandXO member

Hi Caitlin,

I would be interested to learn more! Have you put together a family tree and have more information on other members of the Ruth family?

Thanks,

Kate

IrelandXO member

Hi Kate,

 

I have not done this yet but this is something I am working on! I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned you have tree on Ancestry and I looked for it but was unable to find your exact one. Do you have the link to this? I will check it out and when I create my own I will send this to you! :)

 

Thanks,

Caitlin 

IrelandXO member

Hi Caitlin,

My tree is public and is called "Ruth Family Tree". What is your ancestry username? I can invite you to the tree, if that's easier.

Kate

IrelandXO member

Kate, Caitlin and Cordelia, this is Pat who posted some info on the original query, if you wish to get in contact with each other and not place your emails on a public site my site volunteer email is st.peters@irelandxo.com and I will link ye all or those that wish.

I have some Tipperary ancestors but not in Loorha but as I am mostly Irish apparently I have relations near Loorha on both sides on Ancestry and have distant cousin hits for Ruth (around 5th for some and further out) and also Pender and more for Pinder so we can exchange Gedmatch if you wish, however where those names would be in my tree are beyond me. 

Regards

Pat 

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

 

 

Hello, just stumbled across this chat . 

I descend from the Lancashire side of the Ruth clan. I can trace back to a Henry Ruth married to Ellen living In Liverpool 

In the 1841 census. Ellen’s place of birth is recorded as Ireland. Another family member in Lancashire has also tried and we’ve both failed to get any further.

 

My tree is on ancestry again as Ruth family 

Any contact welcomed .

 

Michael Ruth

 

IrelandXO member

Hi Pat

(and Kate/Cordelia/Michael)

 

Pat- I would love to talk further and share information with anyone else interested so I will send you an email today so you can reach out to the others with my email name. 

 

Kate- I tried searching for your tree on Ancestry and was unable to find it (so sorry!) but I will email Pat with my ancestry username as well :)

 

I look forward to speaking with anyone else interested in the Ruths! 

IrelandXO member

Hi Pat,

I tried to send you an email but it was returned to me. Is st.peters@irelandxo.com the correct address? 

Thanks for your help!

Kate

IrelandXO member

Hi People, I have gone a bit dotty and posted too many of them, my site email is stpeters@irelandxo.com 

As I am not a real saint I do'nt us the St. Peters as he would, sorry.

Thanks for getting back to me and looking forward to hearing frim ye.

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Pat (and all in this thread)

 

Thank you for the updated email! I will resend my original email from last week to your correct email. I am looking foward to talking to anyone else who is interested in exchanging more information about the Ruth name in Ireland. 

 

- Caitlin 

IrelandXO member

I also am A Ruth and Irish and scottish. Would like to tyrace my heritage. Wonder if we are related,???  My Fathers name was John Pershing Ruth jr, I have just started trying to find something. 

 

kitty

Hi Kitty,

Do you have any information on where John and his family are from? Pat is helping us connect via email if you prefer to share information via email. See the thread above for his email. 

Thanks,

Kate

IrelandXO member

What is the email I should use?  And Actually I remember my Father telling me his side was German, Irish, and that my Grandfather came over from Germany. My Grandmother on my Moms side and most of her kids had red hair as I do. So I am not sure . And I dont have alot of info. My Mothers, Mothers name was Effie Kenyon, my Mothers father was George Edson. My Fathers, Fathers name was John Ruth Sr. and his Mother was Clara Woltz. My Fathers full name was John Jay Pershing Ruth jr. He had a brother named Robert Ruth. Thats pretty much all i know. But I sure would like to find my roots and see Ireland and Scotland with my own eyes. It is beautiful.  

kitty

 

Kitty ,

There are lots of Ruth’s living in mid Germany .

Michael

 

IrelandXO member

Kitty the email to get in touch via my site email is stpeters@irelandxo.com I have heard for Kate and Caitlin and we have been in touch if you wish to mail this site mail I will put you in contact with them. Sorry for my delay in getting back to you.

Pat 

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

My Ruth side of the family is James Ruth from Londonderry Ireland. (1780-1850) He died in Maine. His wife's name was Esther and they had 6 children.

Betsy  1810-1860

James  1813-1900

Robert  1814-1876

Esther  1818- ?

Samuel  1821-1900

Hamilton 1831-1902  (My line)

 

I have been unable to find out who Jame's parents were so I am at a dead end with him. I know there was the great fire but, I hope someone, somewhere has a record .

Hope this helps with anyones search, and if we're related awesome.. I have already done the dna kit.

 

 

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forgot to sign my post about James Ruth from Londonderry Ireland.

Kelley

greengem32@hot…

Hi I’m Rosie. My G,G grandfather was John Ruth from Kilkenny both around 1834/5 . He married Bridget Dunne the had five children two born in Ireland two born in New Zealand one born in Australia. 

martyandrose@b…
martyandrose@b…

Hi there everyone,
I have also been looking for information on the "Ruth" name. My 3rd great grandfather was William Rood. The earliest record I have for him is his marriage in 1858. He settled in Newfoundland sometime before this. I am unsure if he came from Ireland or if his parents did. It is common knowledge the the Ruths did come from Ireland but have no other information. The name has been spelled many different ways in records, including Rood, Roud, Rude, in 1921 it changed to Ruth and stayed. I also have DNA testing done with Ancestry. Look forward to hearing from any potential cousins :)
Christa from Newfoundland

Christa Smith

I guess we're all looking for the elusive Ruth family in Ireland.

My great great great (I think) grandparents were Moses b 1781 approx. and Elizabeth (nee Jones) b 1791 from supposedly County Cavan and emigrated to Emily, Victoria County, Ontario, Canada with their son James b 1821 (great great grandfather) and perhaps son George b 1823.

My great grandmother is daughter of James and Jane (or Mary Jane) Braden/Braiden ..... Elizabeth Ruth.

I have a tree on ancestry.ca ... the Dale Family tree.  Just to confuse matters further they seem to change their ages on different documents ie. census.

Moses and Elizabeth are my brick wall !

Kindest regards

Louise

 

LLzBellz

Hi Louise, at this remove you are mainly dependent on church records so the religion of the person is helpful to see what exists for that time and that religion if anything, one of the ladies here is also tracing Cavan and has posted on one of the Cavan Genealogy Facebook pages plus put up a newspaper article in either Cavan Genealogy or IGP's Cavan Geenealogy.

It is unlikely with current records you will break that wall, I see a few Ruth names listed in the early 1700s in the Registry of Deed Project, Dublin and Kilkenny and another place called Strattonstowne which I cannot find.

Regards

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Pat:

 

Religion seems to change from time to time.   Church of England, Methodist and Anglican.

 

Kindest regards

Louise

 

LLzBellz

Hi,il
It is a very unique name in Ireland.
My mother Anne's maiden name is Ruth. Her father Kevin originally came Kilkenny, Ireland
If you want more information contact me

Kind regards
Aidern

Aideen Kilkelly

Hi Aidern. Just seen your message on Ruth family. My g,g, grandfather John Ruth was born in gowran Kilkenny 1834/5, he married Bridget Dunne born in Nenagh , they married 7/6/1856 Nenagh co Tipperary. Their 1st born child was Bridget 20/9/1858 baptised St. John's co Kilkenny RC . 2nd child Henry baptised 22/7/1860 Curragh camp Co Kildare RC. . John Ruth was 2/14th Irish regiment. I wonder if there is any connection out there. Ps John was posted to New Zealand and his family went with him around 1861.

 

martyandrose@b…

Hi Ladies and Michael !!!

I have a sneaking suspicion we are all related in one way or another.  I have posted all the info I have above re my 3X great grandparents Moses b 1781 and wife Elizabeth (Jones) b 1781.  Their son James b 1821 in Ireland is my 2X great grandfather.  I also have a tree on ancestry the Louise Dale family.  As I am getting lost in the discussion here you can email me at LLzBellz@aol.com.  I have done my DNA and kit on Gedmatch is NN8970566 should you wish to compare.

I think we're going to need the luck of the Irish with all these brick walls !

Kindest regards

Louise

LLzBellz

Hey all,

Wow what a feed! We have family records that has Moses coming from Cavan, Ireland to in the around 1790's decade. I believe that Elizabeth came to Canada later on. I'll have to get the book out but what has been the challenge is finding the next person from Ireland. I believe Moses and Elizabeth got married under the Church of England as well. Which Louise mentioned above and coincides with our notes (from what I can recall without looking). 

Got nothing to add but that it is nice to see indivduals also connecting the dots.

Cheers,

J. Ruth 

 

 

jaysruth@hotmail.com

Hello everyone !

Here's hoping we can connect some dots on the elusive Ruth/Rothe family in Ireland.  In particular, J. Ruth, you seem to be working the same line as I am which is fabulous.  Any/all information you can share would be much appreciated.  I have had DNA done, Gedmatch NN8970566 and would be interested to see if we have any matches.  Please send your Gedmatch kit number. My email is LLzBellz@aol.com.

A distant cousin has told me that Moses originally came to Canada, before bringing family, to fight in the Militia (no idea which cause).  He said they came from Co. Fermanagh but I have newspaper article re family reunion that says Co. Cavan.  Perhaps they were in an area really close to the border of the two counties ?    I am attaching the summary of names and dates I have. I did find some Ruth in Griffith Valuation in Erraran, Templeport area but unsure if they are related.  Once covid issue has been resolved (xing fingers it's soon) I will be able to visit with the cousin who lives close by.  I was able to find out that the original family farm in Emily, Victoria County, Ontario is not far from me and where they went to church (Methodist and Anglican), also really close.  On looking in Scotland I also find the Ruth surname.  If the Irish/Scots naming tradition is in use that may be of help also ie first son named after father's father, etc. which would make first son James named after Moses' father ?

Kindest regards

Louise

 

LLzBellz

Hello again me Rosie. I received my G,G, grandmother's certificate of death  in the County of Devon United Kingdom  1871 age 33 years old Bridget Ruth wife of John Ruth a private in the 18th Regiment  sadly they had not long made the long journey back from Australia with their five young children. Bridget DOB 1858 Kilkenny. Henry DOB 1860 Curragh County Kildare. Margaret DOB 1864 New Zealand. Catherine DOB 1866 New Zealand .Ellen DOB  1869 Australia. The family were all living in married quarters Stoke Damerel Doven .  Margaret Ruth married Mathew Tier in Malta in 1884 . They had four children  first born Elizabeth in malta the other three born in Ireland. 

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