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Robert Carey of Clonnamanagh?

WestmeathKillare (Westmeath)

Hello all

My 5x great grandfather was Robert Carey (also noted as Carry or Kerry), born around1785, who I believe was fromClonnamanagh. Unfortunately, his army records have it as "Clamonagh, Westmeath" so I could be wrong in my guess.

Robert was part of the 42nd Regiment of Foot (now the Black Watch) during the Napoleonic Wars. I have his paperwork that tells me he signed up in Mayo in1805. He was part of some of the major battles of the Napoleonic Wars including Waterloo.

He married my 5x great grandmother, Marion or Mary Tough in Musselburgh not far from Edinburgh in 1811 when the 42nd were stationed there. Marion travelled with Robert on campaign and they had children while they were travelling. Their children were John (my direct ancestor) Mary, Robert, Robert, Ann, William, Angus Fraser and Thomas Cassidy. I'm wondering if the two youngest were named after friends or after relatives (I've not found any Angus Fraser's or Thomas Cassidy's on the Tough side to date).

I have no idea who Robert's parents were, it's only the information I have from his military record (which is on FMP under Robert Carry) which I originally found on the British National Archives page athttp://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10660355

Interestingly, also via the British National Archives, is a James Kerry who was from "Clomonagh, Westmeath" who was in the73rd Regiment of Foot about 15 years or so after Robert, which makes me wonder if they were related, perhaps uncle and nephew?http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8789058

I've been unable to locate a death certificate in Scotland, though I have one for his wife and it reads as though he is still living at that point.

I've located a number of DNA relatives on Ancestry further down the Carey line with the mix of Scottish Tough, though I'm the only one on GEDMatch at the moment.

Thanks very much in advance.

ine

hannah.f.thoma…

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Hello again Áine!

I assume Robert was RC. (If I'm incorrect, let me know).

As you likely know, the RC records for that area (Ballymore) start in 1824. I also checked the Tithe records and although there were over 60 Carey records in Westmeath, none were in Killare parish.

The Griffiths Valuation showed one Carey in the parish  http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/westmeath/killare.htm

Roger McDonnell

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Hi Roger

Sorry it didn't notify me that there was a reply.

I have no idea if he was RC, there's nothing to suggest that he was or wasn't on his military records.  He was married in Scotland so that would have been a Presbyterian service and all the children were married through the Presbyterian Church.  I've been going on the assumption he was probably RC but I can't say either way.

Think this one is going to remain a brick wall for now then. 

Thanks for your help!

Áine

hannah.f.thoma…

Áine:

Thanks for the response. Not sure why you did not get a notification. I have not noticed any issues with replies to messages that I worked on. All the best with your research!

Roger

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I think we may have a common ancestor in Robert Carey (born 1785).  I'm new to this ancsestry thing but I believe Robert's son William is my great grandmother's father.  I think William (born 1825) married a Barbara McPherson. The only thing that makes me wonder about this is that Robert would have been 40 at William's birth.

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Hi Roger

I actually received 16 emails this time, 8 from your reply and 8 from Nancy's.  Very bizarre indeed!

Áine

hannah.f.thoma…

Hi Nancy

Yes, I have William marrying Barbara McPherson too.  Robert would have been 40 when William was born, 43 when Angus Fraser was born and 46 when Thomas Cassidy was born.  Robert's wife, Marion or Mary (she and her mother's names switched between the two) was about 9 years younger than he was, so still able to have babies.  Marion died in 1832.

Robert served in the 42nd Regiment with Marion's elder brother, George Tough (or Touch) so I assume that's how Robert and Marion met.  She went on campaign with him as they had children born while crossing the North Sea and in Glasgow before they settled back in Musselburgh (there may have been other children between 1812 and 1820 that I've been unable to trace).

Hope that helps a bit :)

Áine

hannah.f.thoma…

Hi Nancy

Yes, I have William marrying Barbara McPherson too.  Robert would have been 40 when William was born, 43 when Angus Fraser was born and 46 when Thomas Cassidy was born.  Robert's wife, Marion or Mary (she and her mother's names switched between the two) was about 9 years younger than he was, so still able to have babies.  Marion died in 1832.

Robert served in the 42nd Regiment with Marion's elder brother, George Tough (or Touch) so I assume that's how Robert and Marion met.  She went on campaign with him as they had children born while crossing the North Sea and in Glasgow before they settled back in Musselburgh (there may have been other children between 1812 and 1820 that I've been unable to trace).

Hope that helps a bit :)

Áine

hannah.f.thoma…

Hello again,

Yes, that does help a lot.  Thank you.  Now I hope you can confirm any of the following.  This is what I think.....Robert and Barbara married and had a daughter Janet (born 1854 or 1856 Midlothian, Scotland).  Janet married Alexander Stuart Clark (born 1857 Cockpen Edinburgh, Parish of Newbattle).  They married on July 29, 1853.  Janet and Alexander Stewart had six children - Barbara, Janet, Alexander Stuart, Archibald, James, and Violet. Barbara was born 1884 in Midlothian, Scotland and married a McPherson?  Janet was born 1887.  Alexander Stewart was born around 1891 in Edinburgh, Scotland, died February 26, 1977, Toronto, Ontario Canada.  Alexander Stewart Clark married Nellie Shorrock on July 21, 1915 in York, Ontario, Canada.  She was born June 27, 1889 in Blackburn, Lancashire, England and died Juloy 6, 1966.  Alexander Stewart Clark and Nellie Shorrock were my grandparents (Dad's side). Archibald was born 1893. James was born 1896. Violet was born 1900. If that all adds up correctly I'll send you more info about Alexander and Nellie's decendants although I don't know much as neither my grandfather nor my grandmother ever talked about their families in England or Scotland.  Have a great day!

Nancy

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Robert was my 5x Great Grandfather, Married Marion Tough(Touch) from Musselburgh - my home town. their son John had a daughter Mary.

Mary married Henry Shaw, they had a son  called Henry Carey Shaw, my great grandad.

As an aside, Mary had a brother who was a famous Golf Caddie at Musselburgh, known as "Fiery" for his complexion.

would love more info on Robert but its not easy to find, I already have army details etc and have been in touch with Marion's descendants in Australia.

Brian

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