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Patrick and Ellen Carroll

I know I have posted some ofthis info previously and had some success thanks to your volunteers. However, my son is planning a trip to Ireland and I would like to be able to provide him with more information re places to visit or even more exciting would be to discover distant relatives still living in Ireland.

I am still quite confused as to the difference between parishs, townlands etc.

My ancestors appear to be from several places all close together

Patrick Carroll married Ellen Brien or O'Brien at the Chapel of Knockanore on 13/2/1872 Patrick was 30 years of age and the witnesses were Michael Flemming and Margaret Hennessy

Patricks is from Coolbegan, Waterford and his father Patrick was deceased at the time of the marriage in 1872.

Ellen was born at Stradbally or Strand alley at the time of her marriage she was living at Newport, Ballyphilip. Her father John Brien was alive in 1872.

I think my great, great grandfather Patrick was born in about 1842 in Youghal. Waterford.

They arrived in Australia on 20/1/1879 with childrenPatrickaged 5, John 4 and Mary Cecilia 3

I would like to find their birth certificates, information about their parents and possible burial places and whether there might be headstones or house sites to visit.

I also would like to know if they had any siblings that may have remained in the area or migrated elswhere.

I know this is a lot to ask and I appreciate any information.

Regards,

Catherine Prow nee Carroll.

jcprow@bigpond…

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Catherine:

Welcome back!

Civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 so for Patrick and Ellen and their families, you would have to rely on Church records where available. Your families lived in the southwest corner of Co. Waterford where it meets Co. Cork.

The townland for Patrick is Coolbeggan and there is a Coolbeggan East and Coolbeggan West. They are in Templemichael civil parish.

The only Newport I can locate is in Kilcockan parish which is just to the north of Templemichael parish and corresponds to Knockanore RC church where the marriage occurred.

By the way, townlands are the smallest land division in Ireland and range in size between 100 and 1000 acres (normally).  Maybe 40-70 townlands form a civil parish. (There are exceptions to the range I gave you). The RC parishes generally do not match civil parishes and an RC parish may cover all or part of 3-4 civil parishes.

Here is the link to the parish register for Knockanore and records go back to 1816 http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1113

I looked for a baptismal record for Patrick with father Patrick and only found one in Knockanore. See below. I have no idea if this is correct. I did not search for Ellen since O'Brien/Brien is a very common name.

There were no Carrolls in Coolbeggan in the 1911 census and no O'briens in Newport in the 1911 census.

Roger McDonnell

Name:Patrick CarrolDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:25-Jan-1839Address:
Parish/District:KNOCKANOREGender:
CountyCo. Waterford
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Patrick CarrolMother:Elen BransfieldOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Michael Carroll Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Margaret Carroll 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you so much Roger for your efforts and for the explaining the difference between townlands and parishes. I think this baptism entry is my great, great grandfather as the name Bransfield has been mentioned before in my family and the age fits. Is Bransfield an Irish name?

Do you have any idea how I could search for possible relatives and how I might find out addresses from the past? Is it possible to purchase copies of the baptism certificate or is it just an entry in a book?

Many thanks, Catherine

 

 

 

 

 

jcprow@bigpond…

Catherine:

I'm sure you could write to the parish church and get a baptismal record qirh a donation. The priest  would be extracting the info from the register that you see online.

I looked at the 1911 census and there were 121 people with the surname Bransfield, all of them were in Cork or Waterford presumably in the Youghal area. Not sure of the origin but the name sounds English.

Finding relatives will be difficult particularly since the surname was not found in Coolbeggan or Newport in the 1911 census.

Have you considered autosomal DNA testing which might help you find connections.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

I am travelling from Australia to Ireland in June/July of this year. Can anyone tell me if there is anyway of trying to find out whether I have any distant relatives still living in Ireland. Please read my previous post which contains the family details that I have so far.

Yours faithfully,

Catherine 

jcprow@bigpond…

Hi Catherine:  

Thank you for contacting us about your upcoming trip.  I have passed your query to one of our local volunteers who may be able to assist you.  If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me directly at: jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com.

All the best,  

Jane

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