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O'Mulvaney's/O'Milvenna

I looking for my 3x GGF and his family. John O'Mulvaney came to Australia in 1838, he listed his birth place asBuckna/Brucknow in Antrim northern Ireland. John's fathers name is Hugh and his mother is Elizabeth and John was born around C 1821. I found a Hugh buried in the Racavan cemetry who came from Ticlo Antrim but the dates on the headstone are a little weird, I'm wondering if there is any connection between this Hugh & my Hugh. Any help would be appreciated.

Suby

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Suby,

Buckna is a townland near Broughshane in Co. Antrim. I do not know of anywhere in the county named Brucknow. Suspect Buckna is what was meant. Ticlo is probably Ticloy, which is a townland in Skerry parish, not too far from Buckna. I see a Hugh Omelvenna listed as farming there in Griffiths Valuation in 1862. He had plot 23 which was a 27 acre farm. (Near the modern Killycarn Rd). I looked in Griffiths Valuation to see if there were any of that name in Buckna at the same time but there were not.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

Hugh is not listed as farming in Ticloy in the tithe applotment records for 1825 so it’s possible he moved there between that year and 1862. (No Hugh in Buckna either in 1825).

http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/skerry-parish.php#.WysVXhR9eg0

The Valuation revision records show Hugh O’Melvenna as tenant of plot 23 in Ticloy right up to 1929 when those records stop. That won’t be the same Hugh. It’s likely that the original Hugh died and a younger one took over.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books

The family aren’t in Ticloy in 1901 but were in Carnalbanagh which is nearby. The Valuation revision records show that Hugh acquired plots 19 & 20 in Carnalbanagh in 1881 (50 acres). It remains in his name till 1913 when it changes to James:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Glenarm/Carnalbanagh/993578/

Family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Longmore/Ticloy/293295/

Probate abstract from the PRONI wills site:

O'Mulvenna Hugh of Ticloy Aughafatten Ballymena county Antrim farmer died 12 March 1937 Administration Belfast 6 December to Mary Jane Morrow widow. Effects £238 16s. 6d.

The probate file itself is not on-line but should be in PRONI in paper format. However as Hugh died intestate you may not get much information from it, though next of kin should be named:

Robert Omelvenna married Martha McBride in Wellington St Presbyterian church (Ballymena) in 1904. The certificate shows his father to have been named Hugh:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10211/5716910.pdf

The Ticloy family were Presbyterian (so probably of Scottish origin originally, arriving in Ireland in the 1600s, as did many of the population in that part of Antrim). So for baptisms etc you would need to search Presbyterian records in the Skerry/Buckna/Broughshane area. In addition to the farm in Ticloy they appear to have acquired a second farm in Carnalbanagh, so they were probably quite comfortably off.

I assume this is your Racavan family grave:

Erected in memory of Hugh O'Milvena of Decloy who departed this life, 23rd Oct. 1864 aged 79 years. And his mother Betty O'Milvena died 29th Aug 1885; Aged 75 years. Also his wife Susanna O'Milvena, died 2nd Jan 1897. Aged 65 years.

Decloy is obviously Ticloy. I agree with you that the dates on the gravestone don’t appear to be correct. If the mother’s dates were correct, she’d be younger than her son by 30 years. There’s no Betty O’Milvena death in 1885 in the statutory records so either the gravestone contains inaccurate information or it has been transcribed incorrectly. Likewise the Susanna O’Milvena who died in 1897 appears to have been the wife of Hugh born 1837, not the one who died in 1864. Bear in mind that gravestones were often erected many years after the events mentioned on them and mistakes are not uncommon.

I can see from the statutory records that a Hugh Omelvenna had a daughter Mary Jane born at Ticloy on 13.9.1868. From that cert, I can tell that his wife was Susan McMullan. They married 25.2.1868, registered in Ballymena. That marriage cert should give you Hugh’s father’s name. You can view it on the GRONI site for £2.50. I’d guess it was Hugh.

So it looks to me as though Hugh Omelvenna born c 1786, had a son Hugh born c 1837 who married Susan(na) McMullan in 1868 and who had a son named Hugh born 13.3.1872 at Ticloy.

Another grave in the same graveyard:

Erected in memory of James O Melvena Aughafatten. Who died 14th Decr 1848, Aged 52 years. Also his wife Jane, who died 12th Feby 1873, aged 62 years. And their eldest son Robert O Melvena, who died 18th March 1869, aged 37 years. Also Mary O Melvena, Daughter of [?] & Annie Died 9th March 1883 Aged 18 years. Also the abovenamed Annie O Melvena, who died 10th March 1917, aged 81 years.

I noted this undated gravestone in Buckna new cemetery. No idea if it’s the Ticloy family but it’s in the right general area:

O'Melvena In loving memory of mother and father Jeannie and James O'Melvena Aunts Jane O'Melvena and Agnes O'Melvena Also sister Jean Gray Pirrie interred in 'Lonan' Isle of Man.

So your original question was whether the Buckna born John who emigrated to Australia is related to the Ticloy family. No way of telling really from the available records. The two places are close together but there were a number of families of that name in the area. The Scottish & Irish naming pattern means that the same forenames can be repeated endlessly (as in this case), making it hard to sort them all out. Perhaps a DNA test to compare with someone in the area may help. There are certainly Omelvennas in that general area today. There’s one in Broughshane who is my coal delivery man.

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Thanks Elwyn,

Thanks for the information that's awesome. I'll check it out thanks again & plan my a trip there.

Regards

Suby Haines

Suby

Thanks Elwyn,

Thanks for the information that's awesome. I'll check it out thanks again & plan my a trip there.

Regards

Suby Haines

Suby

Elwyn,

The information provided by Suki is excellent and points you in the right direction, but I think I can go one better. My mother was an O'Melvena, and we may even be distantly related.

There are actually two separate branches of the family - one descended from a Hugh O'Melvena, and one from a James O'Melvena. In Ireland they are considered different families, but of course it is highly likely if you go far enough back they come from the same source. I am trying to do this research myself and so am really, really interested in your James O'Melvena/Milvena (by the way there are dozens of spelling variations) who went to Australia around 1840. He could be a brother to either, or both, of the Hugh and James I am referring to.

I am from the James branch and the descendents of the Hugh branch have, to my knowledge, largely left Co. Antrim and there are none left living in the area. You will be interested that a couple of generations later at least one family in this branch went to New Zealand (around 1910).

I am on gmail. It would be great to hear from you and swap information.

robwhamilton1972@gmail.com

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It should say of course 'your John O'Melvena'. Let's not make it even more confusing!

robwhamilton19…

Thanks Rob

I've sent you an email

regards Suby

 

Suby

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