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Nathaniel Black married Mary Jane Black 26 12 1848 Looking for family and information including McFadden and McCully

Nathaniels father was Patrick Black and Mary Jane Black father was John Black. They lived in the Ballymena area. On the wedding certificate Nathaniel was presbyterian Dunaird and Mary Jane Presbyterian Lismamaccron both aged over 21 years. Their son Jeremiah immigrated to New Zealand on the ship Nelson. Jeremaih told a grandson he lived at Blackstown, Ballypatrick. He married Sarah Hollow in Oamaru NZ October 22nd 1883. Sarah died later in childbirth and he remarried Elizabeth McFadden.

It is believed Elizabethsparents also came from the same area. Her parents were Thomas McFadden and Sarah nee McCully. They sailed from Glasgow on ship Janet Court 25/02/1874 and arrived Port Chalmers Dunedin May 29 1874. On the same ship was a single man William McCully aged 28 years. There were several other families from Antrim on this voyage.

It is believed Jeremiah also had a brother came later to NZ . They had a dispute and his brother moved away. Jeremiah died in Oamaru NZ 20th August 1947. His age varied over the years and as no birth year was known his age could not be confirmed. He told his grandson he was born January 1st 1854

Griffins Valuation showed a Nathaniel Black living at Rathkeel and a Patrick Black living at Rooghan.

I am keen to get any information and dates for these family members

Church Mary Jane Black and Nathaniel Black married was Broughshane 1st Presbyterian by licence Rev R Stewart 26/12/1848 Both bride and groom over 21

kategordando@g…

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The two townlands where Nathaniel and Mary Jane were living when they married are Dunaird and Lisnamurrikin (spelling varies). Rooghan is immediately beside Lisnamurrican. They are all adjacent to each other and just south of the town of Broughshane. The modern Rathkeel Rd runs through them. So the two homes were within easy walking distance of each other.

You don’t say what church they married in, but tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, so that’d be the place to look for her family. Which church was it? (The records are probably not on-line but I can tell you what records exist and where they are held).

What were the occupations on the marriage cert, both for the groom and the two fathers?

The tithe applotment records have a James Black living in Lisnamurrican in 1825. Also a Nathaniel and Patrick in Roughan. (These would be heads of households, so adults).

http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/skerry-parish.php#.WA9QgBR9eg0

There’s no Black household in Lisnamurrican by the time of Griffiths Valuation but there is a John Black in Dunaird. He had plot 17 which was a house, flax mill and 11 acres. You have evidently seen the Roughan Black households in Griffiths.

Found these probate abstracts:

The Will of John Black late of Dunaird County Antrim Farmer who died 18 December 1886 at same place was proved at Belfast by John White of Cross said County Farmer and Martha Black of Dunaird Widow the Executors

The will itself is on-line on the PRONI site and in addition to his wife, it mentions his nephew Robert Black who is to live on the farm. Also a niece Martha. Martha Black’s maiden name was evidently white (!) as her brother John White is also mentioned as executor.

The Will of James Black late of Roughan County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 20 May 1868 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oath of John Black of Donard (Broughshane) in said County Farmer one of the Executors.

The above will is also on-line and mentions wife Elizabeth, brother John and sons James, Hugh & Alexander.

The Will of James Black late of Roughan County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 26 October 1873 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of Jenny Black Widow and James Black Farmer both of Roughan and Samuel M'Allister of Crevamoy Grocer all in (Broughshane) said County the Executors.

The above will is on-line and mentions wife Jenny, children, James, Margaret, Molly, Jane, Matty (Matilda), William, Mathew, Elizabeth and Patrick.

The Will of Matthew Dickey Black late of Roughan County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 16 June 1871 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oath of Alexander Black of Roughan (Broughshane) same County Farmer one of the Executors.

Again this will is on-line and mentions sons Alexander, Nathaniel, James & Wilson.

The Will of Patrick Black late of Roughan County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 23 March 1873 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of Matthew Black of Roughan Farmer Samuel M'Callister of Crevamoy Grocer and John Meban of Roughan Farmer all in (Broughshane) said County the Executors.

The will mentions a nephew Mathew Black of Roughan, another nephew Mathew Black of Ballygelly, nephew James Black junior, sister Nancy Black and nephew Patrick Black.

Couldn’t find any wills relating to Blacks of Linsnamurrican.

I noticed this grave inscription in Ballymena graveyard:

Black. In memory of Nathaniel Black, died 2nd January 1921 and his wife Alice, died 20th February, 1925. "Until the day break, and the shadows flee away." Agnes R Black, died 24th May, 1951. James Black, died 8th December 1896. Margaret Black, died 30th J.

Here’s that family in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballymena_and_Town_and_Urban_District_of_Ballymena/Cullybackey_Road__part_of__Inboundary/925297/

Families liked to keep using the same names, and so it’s possible that there’s a link with Jeremiah’s father Nathaniel. (I can tell from the marriage indexes that this Nathaniel married Alice Craig in 1876 and his father was Mathew Black).

No Blacks in Dunaird, Roughan or Lisnamurrican in the 1901 census. So they must all have died out or moved away.

The place name Blackstown, Ballypatrick doesn’t mean anything to me. There are two places named Ballypatrick in Co Antrim. One in the parish of Culfeightrin and the other in Ballymoney. (Both are about 15 to 20 miles north of Dunaird). I searched the valuation revision records (which take Griffiths primary valuation forward) for the late 1870s and early 1880s but did not see any Black household in either. So I can’t help with the location of Jeremiah’s former home, prior to leaving Ireland.

So you know that there were a lot of Black families in the Roughan, Lisnamurrican & Dunaird areas, though all had gone by 1901. They were evidently closely related. You may need to spend a little time trying to sort them all out. You may well need a researcher to go through the church records for you to try and piece the families together.

I’d guess that your families probably attended either Buckna or Broughshane 1st Presbyterian churches.  They both have records from about the 1830s.

I had a look for marriage between Thomas McFadden and Sarah McCurry but didn’t find one. It was probably before the start of statutory marriage registration in 1845. So very hard to find unless you know which church.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you for all this fantastic info and where to get assistance. I have had past contact with a John Black fron Australia. He believes that he has common ancestry with Nathaniel and Mary Jane Black. He is a decendant of John William Black born 1819 Ballymena. He married Jane(Jenny) Russel b 1837 Broughshane. They married 25/03/1857 and shortly afterwards emigrated to Australia 

Their Children

Mary Black 1858

Jane Black 1859

John Black b 21 June 1861 Myers Flat Victoria Australia

Margaret Black b 27 April 1863Nerrin Nerrin Myers Flat Aust

William Black 1865 Eaglehawk Victoria Aust

Elizabeth Black 1867  As Above

Martha Black 1871  As Above

Agnes Black 1872 As Above

Ellen Black 1876 As Above

Unnamed Black b 8 August 1878

I do not have the Parish names for Nathaniel and Marys marriage or the parents occupations. I know Jeremiah was Prebyterian and believe the parish was Kirkinriola. Is there a way I can check these church records?

I am keen to find out the names of children of Nathaniel and  Mary Jane. I wondered after the fall out between the brothers what hapened to the brother and if he returned to Ireland

The marriage I was looking for was Thomas McFadden and Sarah Mc Cully They may have married elsewhere before they sailed to NZ I see there are headstones for John Black(3) 567  Ballymena North herbinson Street 1.6

And Robert Black(3)  Ballymena Headstone 1.6 Is it possible to get infomation about who purchased plots, dates etc.

I really appreciate your assistance Thank you Kate Anderson

 

kategordando@g…

hi i stumbed upon this while chatting to my grandad 'Jerry nathaniel Black' and as i read it out to him he quickly let me know that jeremiah nathaniel black is his grandad and his grandmother was Sarah hollow their son being John Black who married Joanne Ross after ww1 1920 in New Zealand and had my grandad jerry in 1925. i asked about Jeremiah's brother and if he had ever met him but he had not so am unable to help in regards to what may have happened between the brothers. i would love to here of any other information you may have received in regards to the family line so i can relay it to my grandad (he loves to chat and share stories with me about our family) Before i sign off my grandad did say that "jeremiah nathaniel black reached 99years and 11 12ths" (word for word) so maybe working back from date of death could work out the year of birth?  i hope that helps if not it was wonderful to have stumbled upon this :)

 

 

 

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Kate,

I didn’t see your reply in 2016. We had a fault with the computer system around that time and not all replies were being flagged up correctly. Sorry about that. To answer your questions:

  1. The parish of Kirkinriola is the parish that Ballymena is in. There are about 6 Presbyterian churches in the town. Plus there are 2 in Broughshane, 1 in Buckna and another in Cloughwater. All nearby. Presbyterians don’t use the parish system and so which church you attend is a matter of personal preference and not always the closest to where you live. The relevant church records are in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. They are not on-line so you would need to get a researcher to look them up for you.
  2. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net
  3. Regarding the gravestones, it’s unlikely that ownership records survive from the 1800s but you could contact Ballymena Council and ask. There’s a contact us facility on the Braid website: http://thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

I do have a copy of marriage certificate and on bottom says marriage Broughshane 1st Presbyterian By Licence Rev R Stewart wedding of Mary Jane Black daughter of John Black of  Lisnaamacarron Presbyterian and Nathaniel Black address Dunaird son of Patrick Black . Both fathers Farmers Witnesses Robert Dunne and John Black Date of marriage 26/12/1848

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Hi there - my name is Janine Black from New Zealand and my great great grandfather was Nathaniel Black, and his son Jeremiah was my great grandfather.  I am connected through Jeremiah's second marriage to Elizabeth McFadden - they had 6 children and one of them Erin George Black is my grandfather.  On the New Zealand Marriage Certificate of Elizabeth McFadden and Jeremiah Black it states Elizabeth was 21 years of age and Jeremiah was 39 years old.  He was a widower and his place of birth was Ballylegpatrick Co. Antrim Ireland.  Elizabeth and Jeremiah resided in Ngapara which is a rural township located in North Otago region of New Zealand's South Island.  Love to hear from anyone.  Cheers, Janine.

Janine Black

Sorry me again - On the NZ marriage certificate it also states that Thomas McFadden's occupation profession or job as being a Labourer and for Nathaniel Black his was also listed as Labourer.  "Not Recorded" was listed by the names of Sarah Ann McFadden nee McCully and Mary Jane Black nee Black.

 

Can I ask a question please but on this NZ marriage certificate it actually says the first or given name for Jeremiah's dad is Namauach - is that Irish for Nathaniel or it is a really bad typing error? 

 

Elizabeth McFadden was from Hampden, Otago, South Island, New Zealand and their marriage was solemnised on 3 August 1896 at the Presbyterian Church Ngapara.

Janine Black

Janine,

I have never come across the name Namauach (or similar). Sounds like a mistake or misunderstanding to me. Certainly not an Irish name, and in any case, with your family being Presbyterian (and thus, almost certainly of Scottish origins, as is most of the population in the Broughshane area) they would be pretty unlikely to use an Irish name anyway.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Regarding this bit of info from Tuesday, 25 Oct 2016, 13:30

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Black. In memory of Nathaniel Black, died 2nd January 1921 and his wife Alice, died 20th February, 1925. "Until the day break, and the shadows flee away." Agnes R Black, died 24th May, 1951. James Black, died 8th December 1896. Margaret Black, died 30th J.

I can confirm this is my line. This Nathaniel Black was the son of Matthew Dickey Black and Agnes Robinson. Nathaniel's brother James was my grandfather. Here is the family sheet:

I hope it helps. Gwynn Scheltema April 2026

Family Group Sheet

Name:

Nathaniel Black 􀀀Birth: abt 1857 in Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland

Death: 2 January 1921 in Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland; age: 64

Burial: Ballymena, County Antrim, Northern Ireland

Father: Matthew (Mathew) Dickie (Dickey) Black 􀀀

Mother: Nancy (Agnes) Robinson 􀀀

Spouse: Alice Craig 􀀀Birth: 1855 in Dunclug, Kirkinriola, Antrim, Ireland

Marriage: 27 Jan 1876 in Broughshane 1st Presbyterian Church, Broughshane, Antrim, Ireland

Death: 4 Nov 1917 in Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland age: 62

Father: Charles Craig

Mother: Margaret Wilson

Children of Nathaniel Black 􀀀 and Alice Craig 􀀀: 7

1. Margaret 'Maggie' Black Birth: About 1876 in Ballymena, Antrim, Death: 30 Jun 1927 Ballymena, Antrim, age: 51

2: Mary Jane Black Birth: 4 Nov 1876 in Ballymena, Antrim, Death: 1878 in Antrim, age: 1

3: Agnes K Black Birth: 6 Nov 1878 in Ballymena, Antrim; Death:24 May 1951 in Ballymena Antrim age:72

4: Catherine (Cassie) Black Birth:13 Apr 1881 in Ballymena, Antrim; Death:14 Nov 1953 in Ballymena age:72

5: Mary Ann Black Birth: 18 Jul 1886 in Ballymena, Antrim, Death: ?.

6: Nathaniel Black Birth:9 Jul 1889 in Ballymena, Antrim, .

Spouse: Mary Anne Cumming

Marriage: 14 Feb 1922 in Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland

Death: 5 Jun 1980 in Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland; age: 90

7: James Black. Birth ? Death: 8 Dec 1896 in Ballymena, Antrim,

Gwynn Scheltema

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