Mr Kevin Brady

Hi Kevin,
The early Tithe Records show......... Urney......as the Parish.
There are 4 records for Phi* Brady in the Tithe link.   
The townlands are different, below the link is another link for the  map of Urney.

The Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-37 (nationalarchives.ie)

Urney, County Cavan, Ireland - Bing Maps

Annagelliffe is the right of Cavan town.
GENUKI: Annagelliff Parish, Cavan

Here's one...you are lucky.
This is the family in 1821 Census it says 1911 ignore that it's 1821.

National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911

page 2

007246487_00129 (nationalarchives.ie)

Check this please and I will give more places to check.
Margot

Margot

Thankyou very much for your reply and links to research.

So Urney is the parish which is good to know.Does the original parish church still exist and if so whats it called?

The Tithe Records I saw before on Roots Ireland so assume thats the place to look in the absence of any further parish records for births and marriages?

I have a Baptism record for Michael brady showing Charley brady and Anne Keogan as parents in 09/07/1839 in Cavan

Any idea why I am only seeing Baptism s and not Birth certificates on the Parish Records?

However I cant see the link to Phillip Brady and Rose Reilly , no Marriage Certificate or Birth Certificate for Charles showing phillip as father?

I have found a marriage certificate for Phillip and Rose 31/05/1778 in the Killinkere parish of Cavan and possible Baptisms for both in Lurgan in 24/11/1758 amd 16/01/1760 respectively!!!

I assume should be in the same parish records but dont think they go back far enough?

 

I will look at the links Margot and let you know how it goes and if any of the above pops out at you let me know.

Thanks for all the help

 

Kevin Brady

Margot

 

fantastic!!!!

Looks like a match on the 1821 census for Philip brady and gives me the link to charles Brady.Thankyou so much.

From the Cavan records links seems other than Lurgan there are no records before 1800? Any ideas for other sources before then for Urney and surrounding area?

Have a good day

 

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Answers to your questions....
Any idea why I am only seeing Baptism s and not Birth certificates on the Parish Records?
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Births, Deaths and Marriages as Civil Records  were introuduced in 1864, we rely on the the Church records, Roots Ireland are a copy of these records. Having said that they are not complete in that site, but there again quicker to search by name than by Parish as you don't always know the Parish.
This link............is the Church records, you will see the map, then the counties, then in there are the Parishes.  Go to the nearsest known Parish and if the years are earlier than what is listed, look in the other Parishes left right up and down to see if you can get the years.
You will find that most are from 1832/5 or 1845...... this is when Catholics could have their Religion back, after the Reformation. Earlier Parish Church books are lucky to have survived. 
Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

However I cant see the link to Phillip Brady and Rose Reilly , no Marriage Certificate or Birth Certificate for Charles showing phillip as father?
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As above.

I have found a marriage certificate for Phillip and Rose 31/05/1778 in the Killinkere parish of Cavan and possible Baptisms for both in Lurgan in 24/11/1758 amd 16/01/1760 respectively!!!
I assume should be in the same parish records but dont think they go back far enough?
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Yes they do.............this is the page, 1778   about halfway down, you will have to enlarge the page and focus!  It's in Latin.
05349/05, Killinkere and Mullagh - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI
Do you use a PC? 
if you highlight and copy and paste the names you find into a search engine (Google etc) you will get the place on a map.
Killinkere..............you will see it is a long way from Cavan Town. 
Killinkere - Search (bing.com)

Lurgan, County Cavan.......near to Killinkere.
lurgan county cavan - Search (bing.com)

You might be better going from this link.................has the Tithe, census and other records. (some of these are in Roots Ireland)
Genealogy (nationalarchives.ie)

See the Census the Census search forms option.................
This was when paople who moved away had to apply to get an official documnet for proof of where they were from and some had to prove their parents.
This has been a great help to me in searching as a lot of people when to Scotland.
 

Having said about the Civil records 1864, this is where to look.
Marriage from 1844 to 1944, Briths from 1864 to 1920 (now, as it goes up when the 100 years lapses.)  Deaths........if they are there!
Welcome to Irish Genealogy - Irish Genealogy

Kevin, I bet you wished you never asked!   there are more sites to search.
Try..............this one...............they have births up to 1958 I am in there. Don't go by some ones tree, make sure you see the site entry as some trees clashed with dates to names, my tree is a mess so I don't use it now.
FamilySearch • Free Family Trees and Genealogy Archives

I did find a Great Uncle in there who went to the USA, everyone thought he died in the Secord Boer War. He had to give his parents names.

Margot

 

Margot

 

Fantastic and thanks for everything.

I also found after taking your advice, Marriage and Baptisms for Phillip Brady and Rose Brady in 1778 and 1758.They were catholics and local so thats great to know.

Phillips Father and Mother are mentioned on his Baptism certificate , Michael(Michaelis) Brady and Brigid(Brigida) Halpen. I have searched for them both and marriage records but nothing on any of the sites pre 1730,s .

 

However I have a real puzzle now that maybe you want to help investigate? 

I was on ancestry.com and when I displayed Michael and Brigid as Phillips father another Family tree (very specific ) and some others in circa 1730,s linked with an entry they had for Michael Brady and Brigid and appeared to have all the details of his Siblings as I had discovered!! However they had Hugh Brady 1709 -1784 as Michaels father and Hannah Mc Cormick Brady as mother.I checked all their attached documents but they were only Baptism for all the Siblings so I dont see how they linked Hugh and a possible son , Michael?.

This is where it becomes a puzzle, Hugh Brady in the Kelly family tree was a very famous man and emigrated in 1732 to pennsylvania USA and appears as a detailed entry on an application to recognise him and his brother James Brady 1733 USA born as Sons of the American Revolution and have a very nice document confirming this.

Sounds like a discovery, however if you google him they are not sure where he was born but in Ireland.Michael his son >??? and my relation was born around 1732 ish when they left for USA but never mentioned in the US family tree but linked only through ancestry and Kelly/others trees? Hughs wife is noted as being Presbyterian soand michael was baptised and did not travel and died in cavan in 1799. Did they jump the dyke or is it a mistake in their research to include Michael.I have emailed the owners of the trees to ask for any documents linking Hugh and michael and have no other way to find out.

 

Interested??? Any suggestions or is it simply a mistake but on a very extensive family tree with heritage going back to 1300,s? Could be US nonsense?

 

Any help would be brilliant and having started I need to find out if this link is real or nonsense

 

Thanks and take care

 

Kevin

Hi  Kevin,
I have been looking at the trees, quite a few, Hugh Brady and Hannah McCormick.    They have the birth in Enniskillen Dublin........wrong!  Enniskillen is in County Fermanagh.
Another has  Ennis Kille, County Cork, Ireland.
Unless you or they have documents stating the facts.....well I wouldn't take any notice.  If you cannot go back any further........... Don't Guess!
I know in the Famine people did change their Religion....sell your Soul for a bowl of Soup. That was through hunger.
From looking at the trees for Charles Brady  and Anne Keogan, Charles and siblings in the 1821 Census, seems no one has got all the children to Phillip and Rose in their trees.
I would update all the siblings to Charles from 1821, then look at the tree view and see if any matches/hints appear.
One had Phillip Brady born in Donegal, but the actual record is in County cavan where the one i ot was from.
Always look at the actual document.

Please let me know after you have uploaded the siblings.  Can you give me you log in on ancestry....what you name tag is or you tree name.

Margot

Margot

 

Thanks for getting back to me and looks like you came to the same conclusion as I have.These other trees dont have any documentary evidence linking Michael Brady to Hugh Brady.I got a response from one of the trees advising nicely that they didnt even know that Michael Brady family tree has tagged on to theirs but dont think they are the same family!!!

I will review Charles entry in our tree and add any sibling details and research and see if any hints picked up.I am certain that Michael back to Phillip/Charles is correct as we have found documents or accurate references.

The account is my wifes Margot as she was reseraching her own family ,Breens.Daniels/Bolands so not sure if she would be happy to give out her Log in details?

Really appreciate the help so far and that my hunch this Hugh Brady route is not viable is confirmed by your own thoughts.

 

Will be in touch and thanks

 

Kevin

Hi Kevin,
That's ok, 
Margot

Hi Margot, thanks for responding .Apologies after all your great work helping me in this mystery Re ancestry .I have started going back and double checking as you suggested and will let you know how it goes .Take care and thanks again . Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Margot

I am still retracing my steps to see if there is another way as you suggested to corroborate the Phil/Michael/Hugh relationship.

However I saw a book, Sean MacBradaigh, The Bradys of Cavan in History and Genealogy that I would like to read.

It is not available anywhere I try?

I joined up to the Open Library in ireland but has no current copies for me to read.Are their any local sources for the book that I could try or if you know anyonw who may have it?

 

thanks and appreciate all your help

 

Kevin

When I have looked for a book that I cannot find, I try the Charity shops. That's usually where I find them.
I wanted the Fiction book of "The Night of the Big Wind".
We were in Bushmills and it started to rain and we went into a Charity shop, wow I found a copy, I have still it.
I have asked and left my information with shops requesting books and have had replies, they kept them for for until I got my cousin to collect them.
Try the Radio in County Cavan or the newspaper, search on line for them.
Margot
 

 

Margot fantastic and good ideas  and thanks, kevin