Michael Torley/Turley and Rose McAteer (Newry, Down)

Ann,

This is your family in Church St, Newry in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newry_North_Urban/Church_Street/1247063/

Michael was a Cattle Dealer in 1901 and a farmer in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newry_North_Urban/Church_Street/255847/

He wouldn’t have been farming in the middle of a town so he presumably had some land outside Newry somewhere.

If you look at the building return for both censuses, it tells you that the house had walls made of brick, stone or concrete, a  roof made of slate, iron or tile and in 1901 they had 3 rooms (4 in 1911), the property had 1 window at the front, and was rated as 3rd class.  So a small property, single story I suspect. The postal address appears to have been 90 Pound St, going by the additional pages on the 1911 census. (House numbers in the censuses usually represented the enumerator’s private numbering system and did not necessarily indicate any postal address, though sometimes in towns they did use the postal address).

I found the following 6 children:

John born 4th Jan 1866 at Ballynacraig (A rural townland outside Newry)

Catherine born 13th April 1870 at Pound St, Newry

Rose 12th April 1872 Pound St

Alice 5th August 1875 Pound St

Martha 5th December 1877 Pound St

Thomas 30th December 1879 Pound St. Died 15th Sept 1880 9 Pound St.

In all of the births except Thomas’s the parents were living at the place where the child was born. In Thomas’s case he was born in Pound St, but his parents had moved to reside at 90 Church St.

The other 3 children mentioned in the 1911 census may have been stillbirths which were not required to be registered at that period. You mention a Michael aged 32 on the census whose birth you can’t find. I don’t see him. I see a John aged 32 (labourer in a quarry). His birth is in the records.

Catherine who was a widow in 1901 had not died by 1911. Instead she had re-married James Curran, a butcher. This is her in 1911 living at 30 Pound St (as per additional pages):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newry_North_Urban/Pound_Street__part_of_/256174/

Michael Torley died 3rd June 1916 at 64 Church St. His daughter Kate Curran was the informant. Rose died 11th Feb 1921 at 11 Mount Pleasant, Newry. Daughter Kate was again the informant. She lived at the same address.  I don’t know where the couple are likely to have married or be buried. Possibly the parish office may have some ideas for that. There’s no requirement in Ireland to record where someone is buried and occasionally it can be difficult finding out, especially if there’s no gravestone.

When James Campbell married Catherine Turley on 23rd July 1891, they married in Newry chapel. His occupation then was a labourer. They had twins Margaret and John born 17 June 1892. Then James 12th Aug 1893. John was a butcher with his stepfather, in 1911.

Finding out if James Campbell jnr became a sailor may be tricky because it’s such a common name. I do see merchant navy records for a James Campbell born around 1895 who served on the Tiger, a Glasgow registered coastal vessel that sailed between Scotland, Ireland and England. Can’t say if it’s him or not though.

Pound St, Newry still exists as does Church St. One is an extension of the other. I don’t know if the properties your family lived in are still there or not. There has been quite a bit of development in Newry over the years and I wouldn’t like to say.

A small extra piece of information to add to the above post, Michael left a will. His daughter Kate was the executor of his estate. The will itself is not on-line but should be in PRONI in Belfast. You can view it there free during your visit or PRONI will copy it for you for a fee and send it to you. Here’s the abstract (brief summary):

Probate of the Will of Michael Turley late of Church Street Newry County Down Dealer who died 3 June 1916 granted at Belfast to Kate Curran Married Woman