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McSherry and Moore ancestors

Hi everyone from New Zealand

My 2x great grandmother, Ann McSherry, was born in Ireland about 1836. Her parents were Owen McSherry and Mary Kerrigan. The family moved to Scotland between about 1843 (when their son John was born in Ireland) and 1852 (when their daughter Bridget was born in Scotland).

Ann McSherry married Hugh Moore in Dunbartonshire, Scotland in 1857. Hugh was also born in Ireland about 1833. His parents were Hugh and Susanna Moore. (Her maiden name was also Moore). Ann remarried after Hugh died in 1872 and came to New Zealand with her young family.

I have no information about where in Ireland Ann McSherry and Hugh Moore were born. I would love to find out more about them and their families and to make contact with any other descendants/relatives. Any information you can provide would be much appreciated.

Regards

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

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Linda,

I searched the Irish Catholic marriage and baptism records on Ancestry for Owen & Mary’s marriage and the baptism of their children but without success. Not every parish has records for the years you need and that may be the explanation.

I can tell you that the family’s move to Scotland was probably around 1849/50. They are in the 1851 Scottish census (as McShary) for Duntocher in Dunbartonshire. Daughter Mary was 3 then and born in Ireland. 

You are a bit unlucky. In 1855 (first year of statutory birth registration in Scotland) and from 1861 onwards, Scottish birth certificates record where and when the parents had married.  Owen & Mary had a son Andrew McSharry born in 1856, but I don’t see any more children after that, so you just miss out on that vital information.  The family were still in Duntocher in 1861. (Owen seems to have changed his name to John).

Can’t immediately see their death certificates but if you find them, Scottish death certificates should contain the deceased’s parents names and occupations.

Regarding Hugh Moore, do you know what denomination he was? Looking at the 1901 Irish census, the majority of women named Susan(na) were Church of Ireland or Presbyterian.  Were these Moores Protestant? If so, many of those records for the 1830s are not on-line, plus as with Catholic records not every church has records for that period, and without some idea of where he came from it’s a needle in a haystack. 

However, the 1872 Scottish death certificate should record whether Hugh’s parents were alive at that date. If dead it will say (dcd) or deceased after their names. If still alive, it will show nothing. It should also record Hugh’s father’s occupation.  If you let me know whether Hugh & Susanna were still alive in 1872 and Hugh senior’s occupation, I’ll see if I can find anything more in Ireland.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn

Many thanks for your prompt response and the information.  I had found the family in the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census records. I found them as Owen McShery in 1851 and John Mcsherry in 1861.

My research to date also shows that Andew was Owen and Mary’s youngest child. I know they were both alive in 1857 when the daughter Ann married Hugh Moore as that information is on the marriage certificate.

In 1871 a Mary McSherra is head of a household with son Andrew aged 15. They are living in Old Kilpatrick still. She was born in Ireland; he was born in Duntocher so it looks like them. This suggests Owen had died by 1871. I have not yet found death certificates for either Owen or Mary.

I did find 1871 Census records for a Mary McShery and Bridget McShery who could possibly be Owen and Mary’s daughters. They are living with Ellen Mclaren in Milton, Glasgow and are working as Mill workers. The interesting thing is that Mary is recorded as having been born in Derry, Ireland and Bridget in Perry (transcription error for Derry?) Ireland.  This might be a lead to the area the family lived?

I do not know the denomination of the Moore family but I do know that Hugh Moore and Ann McSherry were married in a Roman Catholic church in 1857. Both of his parents are dead when he married according to the marriage record. His father, also Hugh Moore, was a cotton weaver.

Thanks so much Elwyn.

Regards

 

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

Linda,

Possible death for Owen under John McSharrey 1867 GROS ref 501/26 in Old or West Kilpatrick. Aged 48. Mother’s maiden name Mundy.

Can’t see Mary’s death though. However if the 1867 certificate is the right man, then it’ll tell you whether she was still alive or not, and I can have another look. Let me know John/Owen’s parents names from the death cert.

What were Mary & Bridget’s ages in the 1871 census? (I’ll search records for Derry and see if we can find a fit). I searched the 1831 census for Derry but didn’t see any McSherry/McSharry households at all. Puzzling.

There was a Mary McSherry death in Milton 1919 aged 72, GROS ref 644/9 724. Might be your Mary (though there were several other possibles). Again that death cert (if right) should give you parents names which will tell if she’s Owen’s sister. Quite a lot of Bridgets. Harder to narrow her death down, especially without  a year of birth.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn

Wow! I think you have struck the jackpot for me. The information on the 1867 death certificate looks like it is Owen/John. He is married to Mary Kerregan and his son, Patrick McSharrey, was a witness and present at this death. It looks like Mary was still alive in 1867 as he is 'married to' not recorded as a 'widower'. His parents' names are given as John McSharrey (deceased) and Rose McSharrey MS Mundy (also deceased).

In the 1871 Scotland Census Mary McShery is given as age 22 and Bridget McShery as 18. 

Unfortunately the death of Mary McSherry in 1919 does not fit. She was married to James McSherry so McSherry is her married name and her maiden name was Clark. She was also aged 72 which means she would have been born about 1847 - too late for the Mary I am looking for who had her first child about 1836.

I really appreciate your time and help on this. Making one step forward on my search is great!

Regards

Linda 

leazep@xtra.co.nz

I found this family in the 1831 census, in the townland of Tamnymullan, very near Maghera, Co Derry. I wondered if it might be Owen’s parents (plus 1 other). It’s the only McSherry I can find in the county. The Mc prefix is removable though, and was often dropped in Ireland. There are some Sherry families. So that remains another possibility. 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinshollen/Maghera/Tammymullen/106/

The family were probably labourers. They didn’t have any land as they are not listed in the tithes. They were gone from the townland by the time of Griffiths Valuation in 1859. Death registration didn’t start till 1864 so if they died before that there’s probably no record to find.

Kerrigan isn’t very common in the county either. I found this Munday family in Moyagall which is close to Tamnymullan, so I’m wondering whether we might have the right area.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinshollin/Maghera/Moyagall/66/

Maghera’s RC records start in 1841 so if that is where Owen originates you won’t find his baptism or marriage. 

I had another look for Mary McSherry’s death. I think I found it in Carluke in 1879 GROS ref 629/158. Aged 65.  Carluke is about 30 miles from Duntocher, so that's slightly puzzling, but the death is indexed under Kerrigan as well as McShirra, so I think it’s got to be her. Carluke was a big mining area and attracted lots of workers from Ireland, so perhaps she was staying with a relative.

I looked for Mary & Bridget’s baptisms in Ireland in Co Derry but without success. Wasn’t your Bridget born in Scotland though, c 1852?

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hello Linda,  I have been typing with 2 fingers for who knows for how long and would you believe I left the page to get more information and everthing that I had Typed Fanished  LoL. I have Copies of the information regarding your Family ?  and If you like I could send You Copies.   my E-mail is maryfitz2014@yahoo.ca   I can input the information again but I'll have to do it another time.(My fingers are getting sore).LoL.    I have McSherrys in My Family Tree and they are also from Ireland.  Stay Safe

All the Best
Peter C.

 

maryfitz2014@y…

Hello Elwyn

Thank you so much.  It looks as if you may be finding possible family links.  It is interesting that the McSherry and Munday families live in close proximity. It makes sense that they are labouring families as even in Scotland they were labourers, coalminers and weavers. I have not found anything that suggests land in their backgrounds.

Yes, like you I think you have found Mary McSherry’s death. Thank you. I will have to do some digging to see if any of her children were living in Carluke at that time.

You are right – Bridget was born in Scotland in 1852 so, unless her birth place is an error in the 1871 census, the record I found is probably not her and her sister Mary. I kept the record when I found it but have written questioning notes all over it!! I will add another now.  It also raises questions about the Tamnymullen and Moyagall links.

Regards

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

Linda,

Mary's death in Scotland will have an informant. Could be a useful clue. (Might just be a medical person but if a relative, could help). And see what information Peter C has. If you need any more assistance, let me know.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you so much again Elwyn. The informant on Mary's death registration is her son Patrick - which fits.

I have been in touch with Peter and found he has found a couple of documents I hadn't located. 

All good for now, thank you.  I will be in touch again if I need to be.

Regards

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

Hello Elwyn

It's been quite a time since you located key information for me so I hope this reaches you.  I thought I would let you know that I have been very lucky and found where Ann McSherry was born in Ireland. Long story short ... I had someone research her brother Charles who was in the Old Monkland Poorhouse in Glasgow.  They found records for Charles, another brother Patrick and Ann  herself. All were born in County Donegal. Charles is recorded as being born in Bundoran in one record and Ballyshannon in another so that gives smaller area to trace them to.

I haven't made any further progress with Hugh Moore and his family.  

Regards

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

Linda,

Glad you have made some progress. Bundoran and Ballyshannon are close together so that makes sense. Bundoran is in the RC parish of Inishmacsaint. It’s records start in 1848, about the time your family left. Ballyshannon is partially in the same parish and partially in Kilbarron which only has records from 1854, so after they were long gone.

You may struggle to find any records of the family in Ireland if the events were before those years.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hello Linda, & (Elwyn)

I had an E-mail from XO about your Family Tree and I have information regarding both Families. Most from the Scottish Side of the Families. I have some Copies of the Registers. I could send you Copies of what I have if Your interested. My E-mail address is maryfitz2014@yahoo.ca 

Examples: 1871 Census Hugh Moore.  Birth of Rebecca Moore 04:30pm on the 4th March 1867 at 133, Crown Street, Glasgow, Scotland and Died 1944 Dunedin, Otoga, N.Z. Buried Andersons Bay Cemetery. (Hugh and Ann are Her Parents) I have a Copy of their Marriage Registers and Rebecca's Birth Registers

You can find this information on the ScotlandsPeople Site and the FamilySearch Site. There is a Photo of Rebecca on the FamilySearch Site and Her husbands name is William John Halford.

 had my DNA done By MyHeritage (I had to prove to My Wife that I wasn't descended from Monkeys ) LoL  

All the Best

Peter C.
 

maryfitz2014@y…

Hi Elwyn

Many thanks for the additional information. I think I would be very lucky to find anything more - but I can keep hoping, and trying.

Regards

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

Hi Peter

Many thanks for your message. You responded previously to my messages and send me a number of relevant records - thank you. I am really pleased to now know the family came from an area in Donegal.  Do you have any more information about how you are connected to Ann McSherry and her family? It would be good to work that out.

Regards

Linda

leazep@xtra.co.nz

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