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Mcloughlin and Neill Family Drogheda

Trying to find any information on my Great Grandparents Patrick Mcloughlin born 1855 in Drogheda died 1916 in Drogheda we cannot understand why he was back in Drogheda, hed died of complications from a broken leg The family always thought his father was James and mother Mary Lynch. He married Catherine Neill born 1859 in Drogheda died 1910 in Salford Lancashire Children Patrick 1877 John 1879 Mary Ann 1880-1920 Elizabeth 1884-1958 Catherine 1885- 1956 Bridget 1886-1960 Agnes 1892-1950 Margaret 1982-1897 Thomas 1895-1942 Terrence 1987-1898 and my grandfather Michael 1897-1970 All the children were born in Drogheda and all died in Salford Lancashire

The problem i have is that i cannot find a marriage for them the only one i could find was for November 1879 but as this was after Patrick and John were born and on this certificate it gave his father as John That is all i know about the Mcloughlins and nothing on the Neill family Any information would be helpful I think that the parish was St Peters

lindarosejones…

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Hello Lindarose, The marriage is 1879 is in January, I attach the record below, the death cert entry has a lot of information, including the fact there was an inquest so there may be a newpaper report on it least or a coronors report but not sure how to get them, the British Newspaper Archive may have it or Find My Past site both subscription.

I had difficulty finding the births you mention on the free site Irish Genealogy, found Elizabeths, they lived in Georges Street. They are not on the 1901 census so assume they left before it was taken. She was born in 1883 on May 10th. 

I am unable to access Roots Ireland currently to see if there is more info there. Will have another look tomorrow, are you sure of the birth dates as we are in the Civil Registration time frame so they should be easy to get free. 

Meanwhile go to Youtube and search for video the Ghosts of Drogheda and enjoy 9 minutes of old photos.

Regards

Pat

 

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

thanks for that information it looks as though i will have to looked at John Mcloughlin  the info i had about James and Mary was from my cousin how unfortunatley passed away just months after giving me the inf.       If Patrick was born in 1877 would a unmarried woman in 1877 been able to keep her child.    Found a census for 1901 in Drogheda.  When Catherine was born they were living in George Street.    have attached records that i have found

lindarosejones…

Hi Lindarose, a number of things, I found his Patrick's baptism in 1855 and attach, it was in the diocese of Meath, that is south Drogheda, Dublin side of the Boyne (I live in St Mary's parish), mother is Mary Lynch, one of the sponsors has an unusual name, Wiseman I think.

It is odd the marriage is 4 years after the birth but the baptism entry you sent is sort of final proof, oddly there is no civil record to match, there was a hefty fine for not registering so that is odd too. Given the time lapse there could also be other births. Drogheda was a highly industrialised area then so I imagine any stigma or so called gossip might not be as great in a busy town etc I know in a rural area my GG Grandfather in a much more rural area in 1857 got married a week after the 1st child was baptised, however I cannot find the census here as you meniton, if you could find the 1911 census for the family there is a question on it for the number of years married so that if correct number given it would reinforce the marriage year.

If Patrick was married to Mary Lynch circa 1855 or previous in St Mary's there is no record of the marriage as records for St Mary's marriages are missing unitl 1874 I think, civil registration commenced in 1864. 

The children of the later marriage you have dates for do not all appear to turn up on the civil record, I also looked at adjoining areas for some of them.

To sum up I think the 1879 marriage is correct, you could also look it up on the registers NLI site to see if there is more information but I doubt it. Why they were tardy on civil registration I do not understand as I mentioned the fine was severe. Also very puzzled by the census or lack of, the 1911 version is the question on years married. 

There are a few private Facebook pages you might like, Drogheda Down Memory Lane, mainly old and not so old photos, also Drogheda Down Memory Lane - Lost Family, not very active but people look, there is another one I saw recently Drogheda Roots or such like, not a member yet, finally there is Louth Genealogy, there is a good site on Louth in general and includes list of thise deceased with a reference so if you see one that interests you I have some books on the inscriptions, the St Peters Cemetery one is actually online but requires some sort of membership, the 1916 deceased may be mentioned there or in Calvery which I have. See http://jbhall.clahs.ie/ 

Feel free to come back if any thing strikes you, also see a recent picture of the outside of the old morgue on the Drogheda DML FB page recently if that sort of thing interests you.

Regards

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you for all the information I will go from there.  As my grandad did not talk about his family it is hard to find anything out.  

lindarosejones…

The 1911 census they are living in Salford with Catherine having passed away  

lindarosejones…

Sorry I think I may have got things as all the names are the same yes Patrick married Cathere Neil 1879  and this was 4 years before they married  so Patrick Jr 1877 have bee.  the child of Catherine.    As on the marriage certificate of Patrick and Catherine it says John and the birth Jas . Confused

lindarosejones…

Hi, i cant believe ive stumbled upon this, and its only a day old. My Great-grandfather was Micheal McLoughlin, He lived on Summerville Rd in Salford with his wife Bridget. He passed away in 1970, and Bridget in about 7 years later.  His parents were Patrick & Kate(Catherine)..  

Regards! Darren

Darren Worton

Hi Lindarose, When i next visit Salford im going to go to Wardley cenetary, plus im off over to Ireland for a week at some point this summer on a pilgrimage. Stay in Drogheda, but hire a car and visit Monasterboice, and the Hill of Tara, and a few others.. our family prob built Newgrange as well...  

Regards! Darren

 

PS... Do you have any more photos of the visit back to Ireland..  I take it Walter took the pics ?

Darren Worton

Hi Lindarose, I was wondering if you had any idea as to Michael McLoughlin's employment whilst living in Salford, particularly in the 30's- 40's. I am trying to find the name of my father's father but the only information I have is that he worked at Ralli Brother's Mill, Salford, in the late 30's early 40's. I realise it really is a longshot but it was worth the ask.

Thank you

Angela King

 

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