McKee birth and baptismal records

Ellen,

Statutory recording of deaths only started in Ireland in 1864. So no death certificates before that year. Presbyterians generally didn't keep burial records, so you are very unlikely to find any death records for family who died in the late 1700s or early 1800s, unless they are named on a gravestone or memnti0oned in a newspaper (wealthy folk only). 

You are right to assume that if a name was re-used it often indicated the first child had died. Families liked to keep traditional names alive, literally. There are exceptions, sometimes where a family was following the Irish & Scottish naming pattern strictly you got 2 children of the same name (because say both grandparents shared the same forename) but in my experience that’s not terribly common. Where you find more than one with the same name, that the firstborn had died is usually the explanation. But as I say you will struggle to confirm that from church or other records, since such deaths were rarely recorded. 

Boardmills 1st Presbyterian church has baptism and marriage records from 1782 onwards. There’s a gap in the marriage records from 1814 to 1823 but the baptisms are complete. There are no burial records.

I don’t think the baptism & marriage records are on-line anywhere but there is a copy in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. A personal visit is required to access them. Access to the records there is free. This link explains what records exist, parish by parish:

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records

If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

The 2 children baptised on the same date might be twins but they might just be siblings in a double baptism. No easy way of knowing with Presbyterians . (They didn’t necessarily hurry to baptise.  I have seen 6 children baptised together whose ages spanned 8 or 9 years).

The RosDavies site records 2 Brice McKee marriages and some children:

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/genealogy/SURNAMES/Mc/McKeeAi.htm

Looking at that, it seems to me that there were 2 separate couples both living near each other in Killaney parish. One was Brice McKee married to Mary McKee and another Brice was married to Mary Tannihill.  That may explain some of the name duplication but it still looks as though some children died young and names were re-used. There was  another Brice in what looks like a later generation.

Ellen,

My own feeling is there were 2 different Brices (likely related) with 2 different wives. Assuming the dates are accurate you have Jean born 29.4.1807 and then Elizabeth 25.12.1807.  Only 8 months between them.  It can’t really be the same mother.

If you look at the original baptism records you might get a few more clues eg a townland or occupation. (Presbyterians don’t have godparents).

The tithe applotment records list farmers, and I note there was McKee, Brice-Townland: Drennan Year: 1830-Drumbeg-Down. Drennan is not far from Boardmills (perhaps quarter of a mile) so this may be one of the families. No Brice listed as a head of household in the townland by the time of Griffiths Valuation in 1863 so he had probably died or left by then. However there were several McKee properties in the townland. One or more might be descendants. The modern Middle & Drennan Roads go through the townland.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

In the 1901 census there were 3 McKee households in Drennan, including one with a Bryce.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballymacbrennan/Drennan/

Two families were Presbyterian and 1 Reformed Presbyterian (sometimes known as Covenanters). I am not quite sure what the nearest Covenanter church is to Drennan. You might need to make local enquiries. It may be Bailliesmills. See:

https://www.rpc.org/bailiesmills-rpc/

 

Ellen,

In general, people in Ireland in the 1800s didn’t celebrate birthdays, didn’t have birth certificates or passports (though they might sometimes have had a baptismal cert) and often had little accurate idea of their ages. Most ages on official documents were just a guess.

Alexander Irvine was born in 1863 in Antrim town and became a Minister living in the US. This extract from his book “The Chimney Corner revisited” perhaps explains why people often had to guess their ages:

“My mother kept a mental record of the twelve births. None of us ever knew, or cared to know, when we were born. When I heard of anybody in the more fortunate class celebrating a birthday I considered it a foolish imitation of the Queen’s birthday, which rankled in our little minds with 25th December or 12th July. In manhood there were times when I had to prove I was born somewhere, somewhen, and then it was that I discovered that I also had a birthday. The clerk of the parish informed me.”

Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.

The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).

 

Ellen,

There’s more information on the McKees if you want to dig for it.  I can see about 10 wills for McKees from Drennan on the PRONI wills site.  That Bryce McKee in the 1901 census’s father was William who died in 1865 aged 84, so born around 1781 (give or take 10 years). His will is on-line and names 2 sons and some daughters. But your best bet is to start by going through the Boardmills Presbyterian records and see what you can find from that.  There were quite a few McKee families attending that church but it shouldn’t be too difficult to piece some of them together.

The majority of records for Northern Ireland are kept in PRONI, whereas many records for the Republic of Ireland are in either Dublin (National Archives and National Library) or in county repositories. So when you ask about researchers, you need to be aware that if some of the families lived in what is now the Republic of Ireland, it will affect your choice of researchers. However most of the names you have given suggest to me English and Scottish roots and so probably the families lived in Ulster. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

If you are interested in the “not knowing my age” issue, I have attached a letter which I found in parish records in PRONI from someone in Pettigoe, Co. Donegal in 1908, writing to his Minister asking for proof of age (ie a baptismal certificate). All he knew was that he was between “70 and 78 years of age.” He clearly had only the vaguest idea and couldn’t narrow it down to within 9 years. (The likely reason for the letter was that the old age pension was being introduced in 1909 for people aged 70 and over. Documentary proof of age was required. Thus, probably for the first time in his life, establishing his age accurately became relevant to him).

 

 

Ellen,

Yes, Cork & Ross is at the other end of Ireland from the McKees.

Glad to have helped.