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McConnells in Londonderry - maybe

I realize this is a near impossible task as I have little information where the McConnell family came from, but I am visiting Ireland in August or September of this year and thought I would ask where a good place to visit might be to get a feel for their life in the early 1700’s. Museums, Heritage centres, that sort of thing. Might be the best I can do.

I will relate what I know.

“Thomas McConnell came from Londonderry, and was one of the first settlers of ancient Suncook, taking a parcel of land of the heirs of Ichabod Johnson 9 Nov 1738” (Family information in the History of Pembroke, NH, 1730-1895, Carter, 1895). It is unclear whether they were referring to Londonderry, NH (earlier called Nutfield) or Londonderry, Ireland, but I suspect it is Ireland. I found no mention of them in Nutfield.

But at least I know they were in Pembroke by 1738 and came to New England in the early waves of Irish Presbyterians.

When I started doing genealogy, I found it interesting that all McConnell’s lines I contacted said they were not sure if we were Irish or Scottish. That is likely because they were Scots-Irish. My grandfather always claimed Irish.

A family genealogy says this “Were of royal Irish descent, said to be a castle Connell in Antrim. According to this story, they fell on hard times (during the potato famine) and emigrated to Scotland” This could not be for so many reasons. Someone may have been thinking of Dunluce Castle being the ancient seat of the McDonalds, to which we belong. By the time of the potato famine (1845-1852), we had already been in NA for four generations and my branch was in Ontario, Canada.

Another genealogical story exists :

"On her father's side, Mary McConnell descends from a family of McConnells living in the early part of the 16th century on one of the little islands between Scotland and Ireland. The founder of the family is spoken of as "McConnell of the Isles" who was knighted by Henry VIII into Ireland to quell the chronic disturbance there. For two generations the McConnells continued to live in a state of perpetual strife with their neighbours, when they went back to their island home again under the aegis of clan Campbell, to which they belonged. In 1741, the McConnell who founded the American branch of the family, with his young wife settled on the New Hampshire side of the Connecticut River. “(Hudson-Mohawk genealogical and Family Memoirs on-line from the Schenectady digital history archive)

Being from an island between Ireland and Scotland could be, although the rest seems fanciful. At least the 1741 date for settlement in NH is in the ballpark, although the date seems very specific.

Any thoughts?

RuthMcC

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Ruth,

MacLysaght’s “The Surnames of Ireland” says of McConnell: “Very numerous in Cos Antrim, Down & Tyrone.” 

Presbyterianism and leaving Ireland in the 1700s points strongly to Ulster-Scots (Scots-Irish) roots. “Native” Irish didn’t start leaving Ireland in significant numbers till the 1800s. And most of them would be Roman Catholic, not Presbyterian. Presbyterianism was established in Scotland in the mid 1500s by John Knox and brought to Ireland by waves of Scots settlers in the 1600s. Some 200,000 Scots moved to Ireland in the 1600s, about a tenth of the entire population. The big waves of Presbyterians moving from Ireland to North America in the early 1700s were often triggered by their Ministers who encouraged them to move (and sometimes went with them). Having only recently arrived from Scotland, they were more willing to move again than “native Irish”, plus they often also were slightly better off and had the means to pay for the voyage. They were leaving because of poor harvests (due to repeated bad weather), rising rents, the inability to own your own land and the lack of spare land for expanding families. There were some political and legal issues too but the main driver was probably economic."Eagle's Wings - the story of the Scotch-Irish" by Dr David Hume tells the story in great detail.

McConnell is, as you know, a variation of McDonald/McDonnell who were Lords of the Isles till the 1490s when Scottish King James IV stripped them of that title (it was forfeit to the Crown and the modern Prince of Wales is now Lord of the Isles).

The MacDonalds HQ was at Finlaggan on the island of Islay (their ruined castle is now owned by the state and open to the public) and they had tenants on Colonsay, Gigha, Jura, and the Kintyre peninsula. (These will be the “little islands between Scotland and Ireland” you refer to.). They were encouraged to take lands in Ulster from the mid 1500s onwards, and to bring lots of their tenants with them. In addition to tenants from their own estates (who were largely Catholic) they also persuaded a lot of lowland Presbyterian Scots to join them. They first set up Irish HQ at Dunluce Castle but after part of it fell into the sea, they moved round to Glenarm castle where the current Earl of Antrim still lives. At one time they owned a quarter of Co Antrim. Though they came from Scotland, some of their ancestors may have been from Ireland at earlier periods of history. The Kingdom of Dalriada (see map) was established around 500AD and consisted of lands in the west of Scotland and north east Ireland. Folk were back and forth all the time. The sea was their freeway and meant that trade, fighting and intermarriage carried on all the time. It’s only 25 miles from Dunluce to Port Ellen on Islay. Not a big journey. (The modern ferry from Ballycastle to Port Ellen does it in an hour). If you go round graveyards on Islay you will find exactly the same surnames as you find in graveyards in north east Antrim.

The book “Antrim and Argyll - Some aspects of the Connections” edited by Dr William Roulston explores that ancestry in greater detail.

So yes your ancestors probably came from Scotland and they could be descended from the early tenants the McDonalds encouraged to move to Ireland.

I have not heard of a Castle Connell in Antrim.

As you say, the potato famine timing is completely inconsistent with a move to north America in the early 1700s. I would firmly discount that.

Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results for no fee.

The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project and can offer FTDNA testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

There were actually two major migrations of people from Scotland to Ireland who ended up with the surname McDonnell/MacDonald/McConnell. The earlier migration was before the Reformation, so they were Catholic (and most of those remained Catholic, as did the McDonnell's in my family). The later migration was after the Reformation, and, as already explained, was overwhelmingly Presbyterian. Antrim was the initial destination for both groups, but they spread later to other counties. Dunluce Castle dates to the earlier period. It was built in the 13th Century by Richard Óg de Burgh, 2nd Earl of Ulster, who was not a McDonnell, but later came into McDonnell hands.

Apart from the Antrim McDonnell's and their relatives in Mayo (described below), there were at least two other septs (or sub-tribes) in Ireland with the McDonnell surname, apparently unrelated to the Antrim McDonnell's (and to one another), living in what are now: (i) County Fermanagh (western Ulster) and (ii) County Carlow (the county names and boundaries came later); so smaller numbers of McDonnell's can also be found elsewhere in Ireland.

The island you mentioned sounds like Rathlin Island, off the Antrim coast, but it was settled by Catholics in the earlier migration and remained/remains largely Catholic, so if you're sure of your Protestant ancestry, that would seem to be ruled out (though there were native Irish who converted over the years, just as some Protestant settlers in Ireland intermarried and became Catholic).

The surname in Irish is Mac Domhnaill, which means “son/descendant of Donal”, but it is spelled MacDhòmhnaill in Scottish Gaelic (with the same meaning). The surname was sometimes anglicized as McConnell, particularly in Antrim, Down, and Tyrone, due to the way it is pronounced by native Irish (and Scottish Gaelic) speakers, with the “dh” being a guttural “g” sound (the O’Connell surname is unrelated, and originated in County Kerry). Although they were Protestant, many of those in the later migration of McDonnell's would still have been able to speak Gaelic, because they were from the Highlands and Islands, which were still largely Gaelic-speaking. Their dialect(s) of Gaelic were still close back then to the dialect(s) spoken in Ulster, so they were able to communicate pretty well with the "native" Irish, unlike most of the Scottish Lowlanders and English settlers (although some parts of the Lowlands were also still Gaelic-speaking at the time). As a result, there were a number of Gaelic-speaking Presbyterian churches in Ulster early on, some of which survived into the 19th century (and at least one, I think, into the 20th century).

The “d” at the end of the anglicized form MacDonald is a later addition, due to the inability of English speakers to hear some Gaelic sounds. MacDonald is the more common anglicized form of the name in Scotland (and among the later, Protestant Scots settlers in Ireland), but McDonnell and McDonald were both used in Ireland. MacDonald was less often used by Catholics, but I've turned up records for my Mayo McDonnell's where the two forms were used interchangeably, particularly after people lost the ability to read Irish.

In his “Lore of Ireland”, Ó hÓgáin explains that the McDonnell’s in Antrim were related to the Scottish MacDonald clan (Clann 'IcDhòmhnaill), having come from Scotland to settle in the Glens of Antrim in the 13th century. By the 15th century, they controlled all of North Antrim. A large number of those McDonnell’s were brought from Antrim to what is now Mayo in the late 14th century, to assist the ruling family of that area, the Anglo-Norman Burke family (the family to which Richard Óg de Burgh, mentioned above, belonged). Some now also live across the border in neighboring counties (the county boundaries were a later creation), and they almost all remained Catholic. Those County Antrim McDonnell’s were part of the MacDonald branch known as “Clan McDonald of Dunnyveg”, who were headquartered on the island of Islay and also ruled Kintyre, both places being very close to Ulster, as the crow flies.

There’s a good short article at Wikipedia about Clan McDonald of Dunnyveg, at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_MacDonald_of_Dunnyveg

There's a separate article at Wikipedia which explains the connection of the Antrim McDonnell’s to Clan McDonald of Dunnyveg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacDonnell_of_Antrim

In addition, there’s a YouTube video on the family tree of the MacDonald Clan. In the latter part of it, you can see the connections to the McDonald’s on Islay and the McDonnell’s in Antrim. It doesn’t trace all of the many branches, though, so there’s no mention of Mayo. Here’s the url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5pW5k61enA

kevin45sf@yahoo.com

Elwyn and Kevin,

Thank you so much for your lovely replies.

I have had my brother's Y-DNA done many years ago to 67 markers and assigned a Haplogroup of R-A497 and firmly put with a group of Scots/Irish. That is with the Clan Donald DNA project, but I recently noticed that other projects I have joined (Ulster, Scots/Irish, etc) all say that he had only done a "Family Finder" autosomal test and says there uncertain matching in this project and to consider the Big Y. So I will have to look into that.

I do believe they were Presbyterians. At the very least, they were Protestants.

Of course, I realize that when the Pembroke history was done in 1895, Thomas McConnell (who I believe was the one to emigrate, had been dead for 141 years! So to say he was from Londonderry may not mean a thing.

So I think you are suggesting that I visit Antrim and the Island of Islay to commune with my ancestors. Are there museum or heritage centres I should visit?

RuthMcC

Some information on places connected with your McDonnell ancestors: 

Dunluce Castle

https://discovernorthernireland.com/listing/dunluce-castle/67501101/

Finlaggan Centre:

https://www.finlaggan.org/

Family tree:

https://www.finlaggan.org/family-tree-lord-of-the-isles/

Islay Museum:

https://www.islaymuseum.org/

Kintyre Express Ballycastle to Port Ellen. (Daily at 08.30 in the summer peak, weekends only in the shoulder season. Takes 75 minutes).:

https://kintyreexpress.com/

You can pick up a hire car at the pier at Port Ellen but you must book well in advance. They only have a limited number of cars and so plenty of notice is required, especially in the summer peak.

https://www.islaycarhire.com/

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

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