Mary Daly work house Mitchelstown Co. Cork dob 08/05/1912

Hi all,

looking for some expertise please. Long story short I am looking for some information on my granny Mary Daly between the years 1912 and 1940 and her mother Mary Daly. I suspect that anything found may not be particularly cheery but testament to her tenacity. This is a period of her life unknown to all the extended family.

Information known with supporting documentation. Mary Daly born Mitchelstown work house Co. Cork 08/05/1912. Born to a Mary Daly no named father believed out of wedlock. Mary junior married John Hanlon 01/01/1940 in Galbally Co. Limerick and settled in Cahir Co. Tipperary where she raised 9 children including my father Patrick. So Mary was born in Cork, married in Limerick and raised family in Tipp.

So my quest is to find out any information about Mary Daly senior ( no known information whatsoever as Cork Archives said all documentation pre 1916 is gone re Mitchelstown work house) I SUSPECT Mary senior may have links to Galbally but without any evidence. And more so, what happened to my granny Mary Daly junior between 1912 and 1940? I also suspect she and John Hanlon met and married after working together in Woodville House Templemore Co. Tipp. Lastly, to confuse matters more, Mary Daly also had a child out of wedlock, also called Mary Daly (Limerick?) therefore 3 generations of Mary Daly’s.

These questions appears slightly different to many others on this site as it is relatively recent but her early life was shrouded in secrecy (as was the way) Any pointers would be appreciated. Regards Emmet Hanlon

EHanlon

last year

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Hello,

You might research the individuals who were witnesses at the 1940 marriage. Often they are siblings or close relatives, and if so, you might be led to some family info. Good luck.

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last year

Thanks Patricia for your reply

yes that crossed my mind. Witnesses Dan Denihan and Mary Clancy. Didn’t get very far with that and as Mary Daly’s early life is such a mystery and without any info on her mum Mary Daly senior, I didn’t have anything concrete to trace them back with and link. Thanks mind

EHanlon

last year

You probably have this info-

Mitchelstown Workhouse Co. Cork... - Abandoned.Ireland | Facebook

The Workhouse in Mitchelstown, Co. Cork

Could Mary have gone to the workhouse to have her baby or because she was pregnant. I searched the 1911 census and found a possibility. Johannah Condon died in 1919

Residents of a house 8 in Ballynamona (Mitchelstown, Cork)

Condon	Johannah	70	Female	Head of Family	R Catholic	Co Cork	-	Read and write	Irish and English	Widow	-	-	-	-
Condon	John	36	Male	Son	R Catholic	Co Cork	Farmer	Read and write	-	Single	-	-	-	-
Condon	Cecilia	34	Female	Daughter	R Catholic	Co Cork	-	Read and write	-	Single	-	-	-	-
Condon	Maggie	32	Female	Daughter	R Catholic	Co Cork	-	Read and write	-	Single	-	-	-	-
Condon	Mary Ann	30	Female	Daughter	R Catholic	Co Cork	-	Read and write	-	Single	-	-	-	-
Daly	Mary Ann	17	Female	Niece	R Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Read and write	-	Single	-	-	-	-
Daly	John	9	Male	Nephew	R Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Read and write	-	Single	-	-	-	-
Daly	Cecilia	6	Female	Niece	R Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Read and write	-	Single

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last year

Have you taken a DNA test. It might provide some family connections to Mary Daly (senior)

Regards- Mary

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last year

Still a theory- Mary Ann from the census above parents were James Daly, RIC constable, and Kate O'Gorman. The were married in 1889 and had at least 8 children in Cork. Kate died during childbirth in Kinsale, Cork in 1905 and James died in 1906. Might be why some of the children are living with their aunt in 1911.

Record from Irishgenealogy Irish Genealogy - Explore your Family History

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Party 1 Name:	James Daly
Party 2 Name:	Kate Ogorman
Date of Event:	03/03/1889
Group Registration ID:	2488633
SR District/Reg Area:	Mitchelstown
Image path:	marriage_returns\marriages_1889\10728\5911500.tif
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Name:	James Daly
Date of Death:	1906
Group Registration ID:	4836970
SR District/Reg Area:	Kinsale
Deceased Age at Death:	43
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Name:	Kate Daly
Date of Death:	1905
Group Registration ID:	4747184
SR District/Reg Area:	Kinsale
Deceased Age at Death:	41
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Regards- Mary

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Record from RootsIreland (paid subscription)

If correct, it connects Johannah to James Daly

Name:	John Condon	Date of Birth:
		Date of Baptism:	14-Jan-1872
Address:		Parish/District:	MACROOM
Gender:	Male	County	Co. Cork
		Denomination:	Roman Catholic

Father:	David Condon	Mother:	Johanna Daly
Occupation:

Sponsor 1 /	Informant 1:	Patrick Ring	Sponsor 2 /	Informant 2:	Mary Meany

	Notes:

PRIEST: ILLIGIBLE

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last year

Hi Mary TV

Thank you ever so much for your efforts. Much appreciated. Sound feasible alright..I do have one question mind. What document/link did you make linking Johanna Daly and James Daly? I am guessing you are possibly suggesting that when James Daly and Kate O’gorman both died, Johanna Condon nee Daly looked after her niece Mary. Interested to know what doc shows the link between Johanna and James Daly..appreciate it’s only a theory but thank you very much

EHanlon

last year

I was using her son John above birth record who was on the 1911 census also. James Daly of Kinsale left his inheritance to John Condon, a farmer. I hope you can open. I assume to take care of his children.

Name	James Daly
Death Date	5 May 1906
Death Place	Cork
Primary Beneficiary	John B Condon
Original URL	http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639227670

Just a possibility.

Regards- Mary

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last year

That’s genuinely amazing Mary. Thank you. You have filled in some gaps that none of the family knew (or certainly never discussed) I am very grateful for your assistance

EHanlon

last year

Hopefully this is the right family. I would still do a DNA test if you haven't. When they publish the next census maybe the two Marys' lives were more positive than what you were imagining.

Take care- Mary

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last year

very true Mary. Will keep an eye out for the 1921 (if they did one) Or the 1931. Appreciate your help

EHanlon

last year

Information to add to your records

1901 Census, James must have been working. Their daughters Margaret 1895 and Bridget 1897 must have died prior to the census.

Residents of a house 8 in Orilea Terrace (Queenstown Urban, Cork)

Daly	Kate	37	Female	Wife	Roman Catholic	Co Limerick	-	Read and write	-	Married	-
Daly	William	11	Male	Son	Roman Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Read and write	-	Not Married	-
Daly	Patrick	9	Male	Son	Roman Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Read and write	-	Not Married	-
Daly	Mary A	7	Female	Daughter	Roman Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Read	-	Not Married	-
Daly	Catherine	4	Female	Daughter	Roman Catholic	Co Cork	Scholar	Cannot read	-	Not Married	-
Daly	Julia	2	Female	Daughter	Roman Catholic	Co Cork	-	Cannot read	-	Not Married	-
Halliday	William	57	Male	Boarder	Presbyterian	Co Down	Linnen Weaver	Read and write	-	Widower

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1911 Census (Kate Gorman Daly's brother) Catherine and Julia are living with him.

Residents of a house 25 in Kilglass (Kilglass, Limerick)

Gorman

John

Male

Head of Family

R Catholic

Co Limerick

Farmer

Read and write

Irish and English

Married

Gorman

Maggie

Female

Wife

R Catholic

Co Cork

Read and write

Irish and English

Married

Gorman

Patrick

Male

Son

R Catholic

Co Limerick

Scholar

Read and write

Irish and English

Single

Gorman

Willie

Male

Son

R Catholic

Co Limerick

Scholar

Read and write

Single

Gorman

David

Male

Son

R Catholic

Co Limerick

Cannot read

Single

Daly

Kathleen

Female

Niece

R Catholic

Co Cork

Scholars

Read and write

Irish and English

Single

Daly

Julia

Female

Niece

R Catholic

Co Cork

Scholars

Read and write

Irish and English

Single

O Brien

Hanna

Female

Servant

R Catholic

Co Limerick

Servant Domestic

Read and write

Single

Morressy

Michael

Male

Servant

R Catholic

Co Limerick

Agricultural Labourer

Read and write

Single

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Mary

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Maybe Catherine

Kilbehenny, Cashel and Emly - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

Name:	Catherine Gorman	Date of Birth:
		Date of Baptism:	16-May-1863
Address:	Not Recorded	Parish/District:	KILBEHENY & ANGLESBOROUGH
Gender:	Female	County	Co. Limerick
		Denomination:	Roman Catholic

Father:	Patrick Gorman	Mother:	Margaret Not Recorded
Occupation:

Sponsor 1 /	Informant 1:	Catherine O'Neill	Sponsor 2 /	Informant 2:	John Mahony

	Notes:

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last year

Wow Mary

this all just seems to fit into place. Too many coincidences otherwise. James Daly and Kate O’Gorman married 03/03/1889 in Galbally district. Mary Anne moves in with the Condons in Mitchelstown after her mum and dad die. (17 in 1911 census)She then has my granny Mary Daly the year after in the workhouse. (08/05/1912) And then all those years later Mary Daly and John Hanlon marry 01/01/1940 in Galbally district and settle in Cahir. As you said before my fingers are crossed that Mary Anne and Mary stuck together and maybe gravitated towards Galbally. I believe that Mary Anne remarried and Mary also had a child (Mary) out of marriage again maybe with links to Galbally….you should be a detective :) thanks for all you have done

EHanlon

last year

Griffith's Valuation Record Information

Tenant
Family Name 1	GORMAN
Forename 1	PATRICK
Landlord
Family Name 2	KINGSTON
Forename 2	EARL OF
Location
County	LIMERICK
Barony	COSHLEA
Union	MITCHELSTOWN
Parish	KILBEHENY
Townland	KILGLASS
Place Name	KILGLASS
Place Type	TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page	57
Printing Date	1852
Act	9&10
Sheet Number	57,60
Map Reference	35

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Note James and Kate married in the District of Galbally. Kilglass is just north of Mitchelstown. Mary Daly and John Hanlon were married in the town of Galbally.

Mitchelstown to Galbally, County Limerick - 3 ways to travel via , and taxi

House for Sale in Templemore | Woodville House On C. 38 Acres, Woodville | Sherry FitzGerald Perhaps where John and Mary worked?

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last year

Thanks Mary

yes I suspect that was the house they both worked in. Marriage cert said Woodville for both…just a bit out of my price range unfortunately :)

EHanlon

last year

Woodville was actually how I found this website. There was a woman on this site maybe as far back as 2015 (Anne I think) who actually said she lived at Woodville and was collating information on its history. She had set up a website www.woodville.ie but it think it is defunct now

EHanlon

last year

Mary Daly work house Mitchelstown Co. Cork dob 08/05/1912

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Residents of a house 8 in Ballynamona (Mitchelstown, Cork)

Residents of a house 8 in Orilea Terrace (Queenstown Urban, Cork)

Residents of a house 25 in Kilglass (Kilglass, Limerick)

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