Mary Ann Howell

Hi Pat,

thank you so much for your comments. I will be interested to follow these up.

I would be very grateful if you could follow up the Clonmore graves in the CLAHS journal please. 

As I understand it, a townland in the 18th and 19th century was an area of land owned by a landlord who leased the land to people. Clonmore seems to have been quite small in area but over 700 people living there in 1837 (Lewis Topographical Dictionary). Farms were small...

Part of the fun of this is trying to imagine how people lived at the time. I went to see the old family farm near Carrickfergus, Co Antrim once (grandfather came from there) - and it was a fraction of the size of the farm grandad had in Canterbury, NZ! But it was beautiful.

Yes we are doing ok here. All in lockdown which means stay home. Which means I have some time for this!

Stuart

Thank you so much Pat!

This gives me a great to work on during the lockdown. We are going from level 4 to level 3 nest Tuesday. but that doesn't actually mean much for me as "if you can stay at home to work, do so" is the instruction. So I will do that and look at all this - thank you sagain and back in touch again, probably next week.

Stuart

Hi Stuart, I am Pam Forster, 68 years old. I live in New Zealand, have just started doing my family tree and came across this! I have a comprehensive tree done in 1959 of the arrival of the original members to nz in the 1860's. Eliza Cartwright is my great grandma! So therefore Mary Anne is also my great great grandma! All we have is Mary Anne and William's children. Walter and Isabel were my grandparents. Which line do you come down to from Mary Anne and William? We still in lockdown here but going great! Would be interested in any info! RegardsPam Forster.

Hi Pam, great to hear from you! Eliza Cartwright married Robert Hepburn. Their daughter, Elsie Anne Hepburn, born 1883 married John Frederick Vogel and their son, Mervyn Vogel was my father.

I grew up in Christchurch but am living in Auckland now. I have a fair bit about Elsie and John and about Eliza and Robert. I guess you have seen the booklet Cartwrights of South Canterbury? My father and his sister spent holidays at Pleasant Point.

This is my email address stuartvogel8@gmail.com; I am happy to send you what I have, also about William Cartwright. Genealogy is exciting! Where in NZ do you live?

Stay safe, Stuart

Hi Stuart,

The original lease to the Howell family in Clonmore townland was dated 10 Nov 1796, from the land owner Revd John Robinson (not yet a Sir at this date) of Rokeby Hall to William Howell. The lease was for 38 plantation acres (about 62 modern statute acres) and was set for the life of William's eldest son, Richard, then aged about 21, who is presumably your Richard although this doesn't quite fit with a 1788 birthdate.  The lease was one of a full set of new leases that year to Clonmore tenants after a major reorganisation and building project across the townland, which had been purchased by the Robinsons about ten years earlier.  The Howells were not tenants under the previous ownership. William Howell may however have been in Clonmore as early as 1793 - the new tenant farmhouses were built c. 1793-5 and the new leases were not set until building works were completed.  The lease is in the Public Record Office in Belfast (www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni).  It is not digitized but the reference is D3805/2/B/33.

Richard Howell's freeholder registration at Dunleer in 1817 shows himself as the named life, so this presumably means his father William has died and Richard has inherited the lease as it had been set for his own life. The later records you mention show Richard's holding was smaller than his father's. It was a part of the original holding but the larger part was assigned to another tenant in 1822 according to a note on the original lease. If the Richard Howell in Griffith's valuation is the same Richard he was very elderly, so it is possibly this Richard might be a son of the original Richard.  But Clonmore was noted in 1837 for the longevity of the residents so it might well be the same person. Richard Howell of Clonmore does also appear in an 1839 estate rental for the Robinson estate. The Howell house built in 1793-4 does not appear on the maps on the Griffith Valuation website as those maps are a little later than the survey date and the house is gone. But it does appear on the original Ordnance Survey map - see uploaded file. Plans for William Howell's house survive in the National Library in Dublin, although those may or may not correspond to the house actually built - the later footprint is different. It's also possible the assignment of tenants to holdings might have changed between 1793 and 1796.

It seems possible that the earlier Dunleer Richard could be William's father and Clonmore Richard's grandfather. It would have been typical for William to name his eldest son for his own father.  I am aware of other records of a debt owed by a Richard Howell of Rath [Rathdrumin] in 1782 which was paid by a William Howell in 1799 - so that could fit a father/son theory. The Howells of Rathdrumin (also nearby) were another branch of the family.

I hope this information helps.

-jean

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