Margaret, Maria Meaney and Lizzie Guilfoyle from Borrisokane, Tipperary

Roger McDonnell - That will be great if they are family. As to "publican" what does that exactly mean?

Not necessarliy owned it but ran it. Thank you, Roger McDonnell.

 

Hi, Damyon and everyone else, I was asked for thid the other day via Jane, the Coordinator, not sure if you got it.

Hi Jane,

I had a look to see if I could find any people.

In the Eircom phone book most Meaney names are in the Nenagh area.
I did notice that in the 1901 and 1911 Census the family were two dwellings away from the Courthouse in Borrisokane.

I am not sure where the Courthouse was in those days but I did hear it was where the Technical College is now as this was also the Workhouse. I just rang the Garda Station in Borrisokane and she wasn't sure. I gave away my Borrisokane book to a relative in Australia so I can't check in that.
The Lizzie Gilfoyle I saw her birth and she was in Crotta which is down near Lough Derg.
Below is info for Sarah and Helena Meaney they went to the USA.

If you copy and paste the links into google you will see the actual record page.
I did check if Joseph married, he did and it says he was an ex soldier. not sure if he was in the Irish Free State army or the British Army.

I hope that is a help.

Margot
 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02558/1946479.pdf

 

Name: Michael Meaney

Date of Registration: 1874

Registration district: Borrisokane, Ireland

Volume: 13 

Page Number: 312

FHL Film Number: 101252

Records on Page: 

Name

Hanora Houlihan

Michael Meaney

 

 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8769/PAT840_86-0553?pid=882635&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dnsh3149%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-g%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26gsfn%3Dhelena%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln%3Dmeaney%26gsln_x%3D1%26msbpn__ftp%3DIreland%26msbpn%3D3250%26msbpn_PInfo%3D3-%257C0%257C1652381%257C0%257C3250%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26cp%3D0%26catbucket%3Drstp%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3D9u4%26msbpn__ftp_x%3D1%26msbpn_x%3D1%26pcat%3DROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3D882635%26dbid%3D8769%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D13&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=nsh3149&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

 

 Helena went to the USA  in 1910
 

Name: Helena M Meany
[Helena M Meaney] 

Gender: Female

Birth Date: 14 Sep 1890

Birth Place: Republic of Ireland

Claim Date: 11 Oct 1955

Father: Michael Meaney

Mother: Nora Houlihan

SSN: 180147589

Notes: 04 Oct 1955: Name listed as HELENA M MEANY

 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/6061/4384799_00267/51915561?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/57293504/person/120035476107/facts

 

 

 

Hello Margot - I found something somewhere that led me to the idea that the Meany's lived on or near South St. I found a Griffith's Valuation Map here < http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?myse… > South St south of Church St there is a building on that map the is marked "Petty Sessions and Bridewell" Could that have been the location of the courthouse?  

Hi Damyon, I will be in Borrisokane on the 18th of Sept.,  I will have a look to see if the Courthouse became the Bank. I will let you know.
Margot

Copy and paste all this link below into google or any other search engine, where the red box,  zoom in until you find Number 56. South Street, on the left it says the Intended Court House. It looks like the Court at that time was on Main Street, I think it became a Bank.

If you look south, down from South Street, you will see SOUTH TERRACE. These houses are still standing. You may have to use these as a starting point.

http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/single_layer/i8.php?lat=&longt=…, NORTH RIDING&placename=CLOGHKEATING&parish=MODREENY&country=Ireland&union=&barony=ORMOND, LOWER

 

 

Hi, I have been trying to get into this thread, things are being updated on the site. I had to wai for someone to post a message.
​I spoke to a cousin in the USA and he said the Courthouse was where the Technical College is now. All this row of buildings were part of the Workhouse. He isn't sure of the year but that's what he remembers.
As you go through the town, at the bridge turn right on the Birr road, you will see the sign for the Technival College, turn left and it's down there Kileen I think the area is called.
Margot

 

My name is Richard Thompson and I am the grandson of Sarah Meaney of Borrisokane. My grandmother Sarah was in Ireland in 1901 as she was listed on the Census page of that year. She moved to Philadelphia sometime after that and married my grandfather in Philadelphia. I am not sure of when they were married, but my father was born in Philadelphia in 1912 so it had to be a year or so before. I am trying to locate a record of the marriage from Philadelphia. If you could locate any information regarding how and when Sarah came to the USA, I would be very grateful. It would also be interesting to contact Tina and Dan Verbo, if you might have their e-mail. They created the original request for information on Margaret Meaney who was the sister of my grandmother. 

Hi Richard,
​I have found the record for arrival in the USA. Also the marriage record.
​May I ask your Grandfather was he Irish or American?
​Margot

 

 

 

Margot- Richard Thompson reached out to me. Last year when Tina and I visited Lulu Bergin was most helpful and provided us with over 70 pages of Meaney info. I will share that with Richard Thompson plus the info I have collected on my own. This forum is extremely helpful and the people working in Ireland to make it helpful are selfless with their efforts. I salute all those involved. Thank you all. 

Margot,

As to my grandfather, I do not know very much about him. I do not know for sure  if he was Irish or American.  Both my parents are now deceased and there is no one to ask.

Can you give me a copy of the marriage record.

My personal e-mail is thompsonintl@verizon.net

Thanks,

Richard Thompson

Ok, Margot

Hi

I realise I am quite late to this thread, but I seen in your message title you mention a Lizzie Guilfoyle from Borrisokane. I have come across Lizzie Guilfoyle myself during my research. I know she moved to the US - philadelphia (the immigration record is in this thread). She married Richard Burgess in 1907 and 5 children with him, before her untimely death in 1912. Quite a few members of both the Guilfoyle and Burgess families (both from Borrisokane, Co. Tipperary) emmigrated to the US, some to Philadelphia. 

I'm just wondering if you knew any connection between Borrisokane and Philadelphia? 

My great-grandmother - Nora Smith was also from Borrisokane, Co. Tipperary (1879-1950). I believe she married Richard Burgess (the same Richard Burgess as above) in 1930 in Philadelphia. I have found united states census information about Richard Burgess & Lizzie Guilfoyles family in the US, including his immigration record in 1905. In the 1930 US census, he is living in Philadelphia with his sister Margaret Burgess, and 3 of his children. I believe, he married Nora Smith sometime after the 1930 census and before his death in April 1931. 

The thing is I can't find any record of Nora Smith living in Philadelphia, or emigrating to the US. She returns back home to Borrisokane at some stage, not sure when but before her death in 1950. I have looked at some immigration records but I havent found any immigration record for her. Just wondering if you may have come across it during your search/know anything more about the irish people from Borrisokane who moved to Philadelphia

All the best

Eliza

Hi everyone,

I am obviously coming to the conversation very late but have only recently joined Irelandxo.  Lizzie Guilfoyle that is mentioned in this post is my great aunt.  My grandfather James Guilfoyle, was her brother.

Eliza (Lizzie) first arrived in America as has been stated in this thread in 1897 aboard the SS Waesland to live with her sister Bridget who had arrived 2 years earlier.  At some stage Eliza returned to Borrisokane and on 28 May 1905 arrived back in Philadelphia aboard the SS Merion, together with her brother James and some other young people from Borrisokane, including her future husband Richard Burgess and a Phillip Reilly who listed Bridget (Guilfoyle) McNamara as his cousin.  As has been noted, Eliza married Richard Burgess in 1907.  

To Eliza, great-granddaughter of Nora Smith, who posted in reply above, I was very excited to read your post above and would love to connect with you directly.  As you say, there is a very strong link between Borrisokane and Philadelphia.  In addition to Lizzie, her sisters Bridget, Anne and brothers James, Michael and Martin also migrated to Philadelphia.  Her brother Martin seems to be the first to have made the move, arriving in 1892.  We have found that an uncle of Lizzie etc from there mother's side, John McLeod, had moved to Philadelphia in the 1880s.  I guess it is reasonable to think that the Guilfoyle's followed their uncle to US??

I would love to hear from anyone who has connections with this thread.

Cathi