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Maher - Maher wedding 25 Feb 1884

TipperaryKillenaule (Tipperary)

I have the marriage record solemnized at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Drangan in the Registrar's District of Killenaule in the Union of Cashel in the County of Tipperary. So first question is "Am I at the correct civil parish - Killenaule ? "

It is marriage record No. 48, 25th day of February 1884 of John Meagher, of age, bachalor, Farmer, Lower ???, father Laurence Meagher, Farmer. Question here is John's residence -- " Lower Kobane ?? " -- I can not find this location.

His spouse Margaret Meagher, do, spinster, do, Moonverring, father John Meagher, Farmer. Question agian on Margaret's residence -- " Moonverring ?? " - I can not find.

In the signature space, John Meagher - Meagher is marked out and Maher added and John's 'mark'. Magaret Maher is listed. Maher is the spelling they used in the U S in the 1900's. Can we make any assumptions on how their parents Laurence and John would spell their names in earlier records -- Meagher or Maher ??

I have not been able to find any other records for John or Margaret Maher in county Tipperary.

cabnc@hotmail.com

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Charlie:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

The townland for Margaret Meagher is Moanvurrig in the civil parish of Drangan. John Meagher is from Lower Crohane in Crohane civil parish which is north/northwest of Drangan parish

Civil records in Ireland were filed by county and then by Supervisory Registration District which is comparable to Poor Law Untions and in in your record the Union was Cashel. Each Registration District had subordinate Registrar Districts also know as Dispensary Districts since many of the registrars were doctors. The Cashel Union has five Registrar/Dispensary Districts: Cashel Fethard, Killenaule, Kilpatrick and Tullamain. Here is a link  https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php    to a web site developed by one of our volunteers which shows you the various Registration Districts and Registrars Districts.

I'm not an expert on Meagher/Maher  Records may have one or the other spelling. My guess is the Meagher was the older speliing which was later reduced to Maher.

I will see if I can find any additional records for John and Margaret. Unfortunately, the Drangan parish reocrds are not available on our main source Roots Ireland.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks Roger.  Those townland names were a huge help.  I am searching for Margaret's family.  

My search of the 1901  census in Moanvurrin found one John Maher, farmer, age 64.  That would make him 47 in 1884 for daughters wedding.  Wife Bridget, 68, daughter Johanna 34, son John 30 and niece Mary Kate Kennedy 8.  In 1911 Bridget Maher is head of family, widow, 81.  Married 49 years and born 6 children, 5 living.  At home daughter Mary, 41, John, farmer's son, 40.

My search of the RC Drangan Parish records is interesting - and confusing.  I found two John and Bridget couples.  John MAHER / MAGHER / MEAGHER and Bridget (twice Beddy) CONNEY have five entries:  Joanna Magher 3 Dec 1861; Michael Meagher 2 Jan 1863; Ellen Maher 26 July 1865; John Maher & Mary Maher 25 Oct 1866; John Meagher 28 Oct 1867.  Matching back to 1901 & 1911census Johanna should is 39 listed at 34; John is 33 listed as 30; and Mary in 1911 is 44 listed as 41.  The niece Mary Kate Kennedy - five of the 6 children have a Kennedy sponsor and a Philip Kennedy was witness at the wedding in 1884.  Explanation for two Johns -- John the twin born 1866 did not survive.  Have attached that record I believe it is for twins - not obvious at first glance.

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE/PRS/MICROFILM02493-01/0034&p…

My second John & Bridget couple are John MEAGHER and Bridget ST. JOHN.  They also reside in Moanvurrin and I found two sons:  John 18 Oct 1854 and Michael 26 July 1857.  So this family does not match the Maher's of the 1901 & 1911 census.  Interesting, an Ellen St John is sponsor for Ellen of family one in 1865 and an Ellen St John is sponsor for John of family two in 1854.

There is only ONE THING MISSING  --- where is the bride - Margaret Maher that bridges the gap from New York 1913 and her daughters wedding to Drangan Parish in 1884 for her wedding !!  I did not find her baptism record in Drangan Parish.  AARRGGHH !.  Thought she would have been baptized early 1860's -- ~ 20 ish at her wedding in 1884.  But looking at the other baptismal dates - no gaps from 1861 to 1867.  So Margaret may be the oldest and born 1859 - 1860.  And the first child was often baptized at the mother's parish.  Need a crystal ball to find Bridget Conney's parish. 

Still in Drangan Parish and started reading marriage records in 1856.  Found marriages of Bridget Conney from Lahane [1856], Mary Conney from Moanvurrin [1858], Mary Conney from Crohane [1859].  Finally, Bridget Conney of Moanvurrin married John Meagher of Clahatainy ?? on 11 Feb 1861.  Looks correct - first child Joanna born 3 Dec 1861.  Good news looks like correct family -- BAD NEWS no room for Margaret to be born before Joanna.  Last place to look would be John's parish.  

I tried the link provided but didn't find an answer. - I need help with Clahatainy ??-- and the RC parish it would be in.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632692#page/62/mode/1up

Could not get screenshots to upload -- maybe links will work :(

Thanks

Charlie

 

cabnc@hotmail.com

Charlie:

Clahatainy is likely Cloghateana in Magowry civil parish. Magowry parish is just to the west of Drangan civil parish. According to my reference book, people living in Magowry would attend Killenaule RC parish. 

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

This is an Incredible record!

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