Looking for a wife.

Looking through some old notes : Civil Marriage Record 17 Oct 1869 Thomas McGivern Father: Robert (Deceased) MacGivern. Wife Mary Maguire Address: Annagh. Wife's Father: Patrick Maguire ;Farmer. Married in Glenfarne RC Church.

A document from the public record office HO184/3 indicates his 1st wife was from Cavan and 2nd from Monaghan.

I really should organise these scraps of paper.

Thanks again.

I have been looking through County Cavan Parish books and one that sticks out is this........
It's in Latin.   the Mc has been dropped. 23 July 1853....Drumlumman South is the Parish.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632377#page/118/mode/1up

Many of the books start after 1853 and some have 1853 missing the others have July missing.
As I said this was one that stuck out.
To me it looks like her name was Frances Conahey.
Someone else may work it out.
Cheers
Margot

Oh and in the site below Thomas was Entered as McGuiire as well as Mary..... I have sent the correction.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ ;

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6b49…

Thank you Margot for taking the time to find those records and sending the correction .

It does look like the Superintentent Registrar made a hash of his copy in March 1870. 

As a young altar boy I served Mass in latin but I'm struggling with a couple of words on the line under July 23.

I've checked with Nli and it's ok to publish the image attached.

It's possible/probable ? that Thomas had  children with his first wife so if I can find a birth record with Thomas and Frances C. I think you've cracked it.

Hi,
Thanks for the jpg.
The only birth I found was
James McGivern Baptised 31st March 1873. Address states ... Muckno (Castleblaney)
Father Thomas Mother mary McGuire.
This is from another site
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

I checked for deaths with surname McGivern, sorry can not match any to a lady 1853 to 1869 when he re-married.
Margot

Hi Margot,

You are very good at this. Thanks very much for taking the time.

I haven't found a birth but I found a marriage (attached) of Thomas McGiverns daughter Anne in 1883. My maths isn't great but if she was of full age (21 or older) she would have been born latest 1862. If she was the daughter of Mary Maguire she could only be about 14. You can check my workings out :)

I've attached Thomas McGiverns RIC service record. I believe he would have needed permission from the RIC to marry. If he was serving in Cavan he might have been moved from his 1st wifes area. A clue to where Anne was born perhaps. I'll get my shovel out and dig some more.

This is fun.

Thanks again.

Hi,
Thanks for the files.
On the records....Of Full Age...... it says this on my Grans marriage.....she was 17.

There is one Thomas stating Givern to a lady in 1853 23rd Dec. 
I checked her and found her still alive and with her Thomas McGivern
Sadly not yours.
This is so hard as it's between years of different records available on line.
Have you got all of Thomas' records as you would think the first wife's name would be there and any children's names.

The Anne marriage......don't know, you would be guessing.  I searched for Anne with father Thomas, nothing close to your years.
Sorry not much help today.
Margot

Hello Margot,

You don't give up easily :) 

I was reading about the full age. It was 21 but superceeded if parents of both partners agreed to the marriage. Every day is a school day, learning all the time.

As for Thomas' records it's a question of what is out there to find. Armagh parish records for birth, baptism. He and his father Robert were "farmers". I searched Griffith's awhile  but no harm in covering  old ground. In latter life Thomas ended up at Glenfarne Hall and there are documents at Kew to search but only in person so not at the moment. RIC documents appear to have been destroyed in the 1920's but the odd ledger turns up now and then. If the record is not there then it's not there . My link to Adam and Eve remains unproven.

You have been a great help and stirred  my enthusiasm to keep looking but day off tomorrow.

All the best

David