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Looking for O'Mahoney family from Oola.

Hi im looking into my family tree and i have a family from Oola, that married into my family.

A Catherine(Kate) O;Mahoney b1852, Parents- John and Margaret(i think nee Carroll), she left her family and travelled to New Zealand in 1876 with a family called Brown where she worked as a milkmaid,she married in 1878 my ancestor Charles Parker from England,

Catherine (kate) also had another sister Margaret Ellen b1857, Oola, she also moved to NZ and Married in 1883 NZ.

Both Catherine,(kate) and Margaret had families and died in NZ.

I am trying to find details about there parents John O'Mahoney born about 1830, i think he married in or a round 1847 Margaret ( i think Caroll ) also born about 1830, dont know where unfortunatly. There was also 2 other children:

1) Brian Mahoney b 1852 ,Oola, i have been told of a marriage(no prooof) to a Ellen Twoomey b 1854, they i think had 3 children Winnie b 1880,Mick b 1881,Jack b1882.

I do have this from 1872: Farmer - Farmed the family farm in Newton, Oola. This 38 acre farm was sold by Brian's descendants in 1985 for fifty-five thousand pounds. This farm lies adjacent to the farm that Johnie Ryan (Brian's grand-nephew) still farmed in 1993 in Ballyfreen, Oola.

2) John O Mahoney b 1853 Oola,he seems to have had a son (no mother found) Bernard John Mahoney b 1879 Limerick he also moved to NZ and Married there and had a family and died.

I would appreciate any information on John and Margeret and there families anything would be great.

I am also trying to find out why sometimes they dropped the O' in the surname.

I have been told that they was Catholic by religion but i have no proof of this,and would appreciate any help to help me look into this side of my family.

Many thanks

Debbie xx

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Hello Debbie, I am looking at old queries and hav ereached yours now. Easy bit first the O in the surname denotes "son of" there are various stories including during the famime from 1845 to 1848 and to a lesser extent to 1852 to received food it had to be dropped, this also was a requirement to change religions but apparently I read that it was only necessary to attend a service, people who done this were called "soupers" because they took the soup, there is actually a book on it about the soupers, according to McLysaghts Surnames of Ireland only about 5% of Irish names had the on in 1850, after the Fenian Rebellion of 1861 there was a rise in nationalism and land agigation and the people with O in their surname rose to over 60% by the late 1800s, Ireland was one of the first countries to have surnames and it was I think Mahon and then O'Brien or vice versa.

On the history stuff Oola and Soloheadbeg are the one parish and Soloheadbeg is in Tipperary and the Irish War of Independence is said to have started there with an ambush in 1919. 

Back at your query we have a problem, we rely on church records pre 1864 and Oola has a gap in the years 1828 to 1837 I think, you can see it here https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0278

The civil records from 1864 if interested are free online at Irish Genealogy, sign in but free to search for births to 1923; Marriages 1947 and deaths 1973.

I see a Margaret Mahony baptised in 1852 in Oola, 15th November. Parents John and Margaret Carroll. Witnesses Patrick Carroll and Bridget Ryan (Ryan is a very common name in the area). Address given as Newtown which I assume is a townland, other siblings born there and others in a different townland.

I searched 1845 to 1865 for children and there were a fair few; in no particular order Ellen 3rd March 1855; John 18th Feb 1857 address Gortaclareen; Mary 11th August 1850, Newtown: Julia 15th Jan 1861, back in Newtown; Bridget 27th July 1848 Gortaclareen: Brian 4th June 1847 and Johanna 24th Feb 1863 Newtown. I wonder if the two place names are the same with an old Irish one and an english named one, new landlord new name. etc, there may be more children but my search was over the 20 years 1845 to 1865, indeed if they have a child post 1864 you will get more information in the address. 

Marriage records rarely carry the parents names so you may be at a brick wall there. I see no marriage of John and Margaret, record gap, oddly in 1844 there is a John Carroll marrying a Catherine Mahony in Oola, you cans search the site above by event; year and month and then some difficult reading usually. It was usual to marry in the brides parish and the adjoining parish of Cullen and Latten marriage records only commence in Decembe 1846 so possibly why there is no marriage as the first child was 1847. I see no child born post 1864 either. 

You can view civil townlands here to see where the two place are https://www.townlands.ie/ they appear to be separate but close but Newtown south appears futher away. Are you aware of Griffiths Valuation, head of house and map of plot can be see free here https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ Done 1848 to 1864.

Good Luck

Pat

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