looking for judge family history

hi roger

thank you very much for the quick reply and link to records.

i am happily shocked that i found my great gr.parents marriage

record so quickly but  under the name of breheny.

the baptism record you found for john j. judge has some possibilities but haven't checked into any of it yet.

i do have 1 question ........... before the grooms name was bartholomew and then what looked like a lower case f.

is that the fathers name ? my gt gr fathers 1st born sons name was bartholomew. have suspected that the 1st son was named for a gr father as was the usual at the time. hopefully this will make looking for baptismal records easier and lead to the mothers name.

the maiden name for the gt gr mother also had a possibility to being filan.......now i know it was correct. the marriage record said they paid 3...... do you know what the 3 is ???

again, thank you very much for your time,effort and kindness. now if i can just find the birth place. but elphin may just be the place for me to finally be able to travel to my ancestrol homeland.

if i have any further questions i hope it will be o.k. to contact you again.

patti     

roger

the marriage record is 

bartholmen        jacobi breheny &

                        honariae filon

wit: patitius breheny & elizabeth breheny

marr date was jan 18,1862 , paid 4

microfilm 04607/05 parish boyle diocese elphin marriages 7/3/1848 - 6/30/1864

today while searching microfilm 04607/04  baptisms 9/2/1828- 6/27/1848 a strange happened.

i finished 1847 & expected the next sheet to be 1848 but no . it was 1828 marriages beginning with jan..

3 names down was my gt gt gr parents marr record so here it is.

    barth breheny  elizabeth feely   ( barth is short for bartholomew)

   jacob breheny   jacob feely

      jan 8,1828

on top of pg. is written

 libre matrimoniorium programe

microfilm of607/04  marr. 9/24/1827-6/16/1848.

whatever was the mix up sure played out for my benefit 

and a lot less searching to see if i could find a record for them..

haven't foung james or 3 brothers births yet but when i do , do you want that info also?

i have found a couple of sisters but think better to send you when in birth order with the brothers also.

thank you again for this link..... it sure has been a blessing, have tried to get a lead or hint of 

information back in ireland and always came up with nothing . wonderful gift.

patti

roger...you asked for the marr. record i found & did reply. have recieved a reply from you ? or someone . it just says

"judge family" but the message is not there.

patti

a message on 6-26 and 6-27 arrived without the text.

just judge family then  the date and time .

patti

ROGER.... YOU ARE A DEAR. WORDS CAN NOT SAY HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM FOR YOU AND THE SITE. IT IS A BLESSING WHAT ALL THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE CREATED AND MAINTAIN. ONLY WISH I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE SITE BEFORE , WOULD HAVE MADE LIFE EASIER FOR ME .

THIS COMES AT THE PERFECT TIME. AUG 5 WE ARE HAVING THE 1ST  GET TOGETHER FOR THE DESCENDENTS OF JAMES, PATRICK & MICHAEL. MY JAMES SIDE & PATRICKS SIDE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONNECTED . ONLY RECENT YEARS I FOUND MICHAELS SIDE. NO JUDGE MALES FROM HIM..... HE HAD 2 SONS BOTH PASSED IN THEIR 20'S W/ NO MARR. OR CHILDREN BUT 1 DAU W/ 2 BOYS & 1 GIRL. 1 SON & DAU HAVE DESCENDENTS . WE'LL ABOUT 30 WHICH IS GOOD SIZE FOR ALL TO VISIT. HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN ABOUT THE 3 BROTHERS BUT WAS ABOUT 8 YEARS AGO I GOT PATRICK'S WIFES OBIT & LISTED 3 BRO-I-LAWS....JAMES,MICHAEL & JOHN . WHEN PATRICK PASSED 5 YRS LATER ONLY JAMES & MIKE LISTED .

AM SURE THEY'LL ALL BE SURPRISED TO LEARN THE ANCESTORS WERE BORN  "BREHENY" WITH JUDGE AS OF SAILING ON SHIP TO THE USA . BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIRTH RECORDS, JUST BAPTISMAL...... DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW LONG AFTER THE CHILD WAS BORN WERE THEY USUALLY BAPTIZED ???

WITH BAPTISM IN THE TOWN OF ELPHIN...IS THAT LIKELY WHERE THEY LIVED ? WAS GIVEN A POSSIBLE PLACE AS FUERTY WHICH I KNOW IS JUST OUTSIDE  TOWN OF ROSCOMMON. IS THERE SOME PLACE I CAN GO WHEN I GET THERE TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE. WOULD LIKE TO VISIT A CEMETERY FOR ANCESTOS AND MAYBE BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO MEET A DISTANT COUSIN OR 2 WHO MAY STILL LIVE IN THE AREA.

MANY THANKS AGAIN.....PATTI

My gtgt gr father is Bartholomei Breheny born ?? . co Roscommon , died ??

his father possibly jacobus B reheny , mother unknown

He  married Jan 7, 1828, Elphin dioceses, boyle , co.  Roscommon , to

Elizabeth Feehily, born ?? , ? co Roscommon , died ??

wits. , Jacobum Breheny & Jacobum Feely

Elizabeths father possibly Jacobus Feeley , mother unknown

Bartholomew & Elizabeth  had 6 known children , 3 sons , 3 daus ,

Online a women has a family tree on Ancestry for

Bartholomei Breheny born abt, 1790 co roscommon 

he married abt. 1810 co roscommom , connaugh to

Maria Tighe born abt. 1790 , died abt. 1825

they had 2 daus. & 1 son

she has the tree for Bartholomew & 1st wife 

Maria Tighe & 2nd wife

Elizabeth Feehiley

I contacted her, we exchanged phone numbers & she 

told me she put the 2 Bartholomew's as the same person

based on the 1841 Griffith's Valuation for 

Bartholomew Breheny , lessor Viscount Lorton , co roscommon , barony & parish Boyle ,

townsland Deerpark, co roscommon. And also because there were 2 neighbors next to

the land that had surnames with some association with Bartholomew Breheny.

is that enough information to make the connection that both marriages are for the same man ??

I had seen the same marriage records but had no indication to be the same person . I don't have 

a problem if it is the same man , always nice to discover new info on ancestors but I don't 

want to just assume . Is there any way to further confirm either way if Bartholomew is 2 seperate or the same ?

Sorry this is so lengthy but felt all this info was necessary to try & come to a reliable conclusion .

Appreciate your time , effort & opinion .

Patti

 

 

 

married abt. 1810