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LOOKING FOR GIBSONS THAT LIVED IN 10 MONEYSALLIN AROUND 1911

My grandmother came to NZ in 1923. She died in 1954 and from that day on we lost contact with all family in Ireland.

What I do know is her name was Ellen Mary Gibson DOB 14 Nov 1903 to Parents Anthony and Matilda Gibson in the District of Kilrea, Coleraine County Derry. She had a bother Anthony,Twin to herself) Samuel and sister Fanny Jane. They did live at 10 Moneysallin (Tamlaght, Londonderry)

I also think they went to America for a while.

Can some one help find a relative before my father passes away. He is 77.

Regards

Mike Richards

Hawkes Bay

New Zealand

IrelandXO member

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This looks to be your family in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Tamlaght/Moneysallin/1521492/

2 children born in the USA and so that seems to confirm they had lived there for a time. Note that the 1911 census indicates the parent shad 6 children, all of whom were still alive in 1911.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Tamlaght/Moneysallin/592511/

Ellen’s birth was registered in Coleraine, Mother’s maiden name was Farlow. Can’t see the parents marriage listed.

The revaluation records show Anthony Gibson ceased to be the owner of the Moneysallin farm in 1924 (plot 4a which was a 28 acre farm). A James McCotter purchased it.

There’s a death regd in Coleraine for Anthony Gibson 27.2.1924 aged 64 which may be him. I looked for wills for Anthony and for Matilda but neither appears to have left one, or at least not ones that required probate.

You could try searching the GRONI marriage records to see if you can locate any for the children. (Likely registered in Coleraine). The surname is fairly common so that might be quite time consuming.

Alternatively you could try contacting the family church to see if they have any knowledge of the family. The family were Presbyterian. 2 Presbyterian churches in that area are Bovedy and Churchtown:

http://www.discovereverafter.com/graveyards/42/churchtown-presbyterian-church-tamlaght-co-derrylondonderry

 

http://www.stonedatabase.com/buildings.cfm?bk=1917

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn,

Is there a possiblility that you could find some information on Samuel Joseph Gibson?  I have sent queries to the Churches you suggested.

 

Thank you for your help.  

 

My father is disperate to track a relative.

 

Reagrds

 

Mike

IrelandXO member

Mike,

I had a look at the marriage records 1911 – 1931 to see if I could spot a marriage for Samuel. There are about 35 marriages for people of that name, none in Ballymoney (the registration area Moneysallin is in). Of course tradition is to marry in the bride’s church so if he married someone from another area it could be any of those marriages. It will cost you £2 (pounds sterling) to view each of those certificates on the GRONI website. That’s one way of searching for him, but it’s a bit of a needle in haystack. And he mightn't have married at all, or he might have married somewhere outside Ireland.

His age means that he’s quite likely to have volunteered for service in WW1. I checked the war dead on the CWGC site. There are quite a few Samuel Gibsons listed there. Some with parents names, some not. I saw this one with no age and no parents that might fit:

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/839859/GIBSON,%20SAMUEL

Likewise with military service records, there are numerous Samuel Gibsons but also dozens of S. Gibsons. Too many too sort through.

I searched for Samuel Joseph’s birth but could not find it. I did note Sarah, regd Coleraine 7th June 1897, mothers maiden name Furlong. Matilda regd there 6.6.1899 mother’s maiden name Furlow.

With such a common name, trying to find what happened to him after 1911 is very difficult. I am afraid that without a bit more information about what career he might have pursued etc, it’s extremely difficult to trace him. I have one possible clue for you though. I had a look for Simon, Anthony Joseph’s brother. I couldn’t see a marriage for him either, up to 1935. But I noted this probate abstract:

Gibson, Simon Joseph of Killygullib Kilrea county Londonderry retired farmer died 19 March 1968 Probate Belfast 6 August to George Arthur McIlrath farmer and auctioneer and John Johnston McClenahan farmer. Effects £1200.

http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx

Now here’s the Gibson farm in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Hervey_Hill/Killygullib_Glebe/591755/

You’ll notice that it included Sarah & Matilda, from your family, who were not with their parents in Moneysallin on census night. So there’s some significant connection between these two farms. So possibly the Simon who died there in 1968 is "your" Simon who inherited it or bought it. You might want to get a copy of his will from PRONI to see what next of kin he named in it. (Killygullib is immediately adjacent to Moneysallin. The two farms were very close together). I can see from the current phone book that a G. Gibson still lives in Killygullib, so you might want to contact them. I can't give you the full details due to our site's privacy reasons relating to living people but you should be able to locate the household easily enough on: http://www.ukphonebook.com

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks Elwyn.  I guess that shuts the door on that then.  I am a little confused though.  It would appear that my grandmother lived at 10 and 30 moneysallin.  Could this have been that they came back from USA and into the same street?

Simon , Sarah and Matilda as additional children to Anthony and Matilda.  Could you confirm that.

 

Regards

 

 Mike

 

IrelandXO member

Mike,

Ignore the house numbers in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. They are the enumerators private numbering system and varied from census to census. Houses in those days had no house numbers. Your townland was sufficient to identify you. The postman, and anyone else who mattered, knew where within the townland you lived. (And that’s still the case in some rural parts of Ireland to this day).

The revaluation records show that Anthony Gibson rented plot 4 in Moneysallin in 1898. (Previous tenant was Paul Begley). It was a 28 acre farm. It remained in his name right through until 1924. He bought it in 1910 under the Land Act legislation (which provided government mortgages to help farmers buy their land if they wanted to). So although Anthony may have been in America in the early 1900s, he retained the tenancy and eventually ownership of the farm. Presumably somebody was running it for him whilst he was away. (It’s not a street that they lived in by the way. It’s a rural area and they lived on a farm surrounded by farmland, up a country lane).

http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm

The 1911 census shows that Anthony had had 6 children by that year. Sarah & Matilda are with them in 1901 but staying with relations in 1911. Yes they are 2 of their children. I think Simon is an alternative name for Samuel. I think he was christened Samuel but known as Simon. (That was common). If there was a separate Simon then there would have been 7 children. But we know there weren’t. So that’s why I am pretty sure it’s the same child. Note also that the person who died in 1968 was Simon Joseph. In the 1901 census he was Samuel Joseph. So I am pretty certain that’s Samuel and it’s your family.

Why don’t you write to the Gibson who lives in Killygullib today? Sounds to me as though it may be a descendant of Samuel/Simon.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you.  You have made my week. So what is the address for the Gibsons at 

killygullib?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IrelandXO member

We don’t give out living people addresses due to privacy legislation. You either need to loo it up yourself on the link I gave you or e-mail me on Ahoghill@irelandxo.com

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Mike,

I have been contacted by a lady who may be related to you. Her grandfather was Anthony Gibson. She says there is a Gibson family buried in 2nd Kilrea Presbyterian Church Kilrea ,Anthony and Matilda.

If you contact me on the IRO Ahoghill@irelandxo.com I can give you her e-mail address.

 

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

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