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Looking to connect McGinnis family lines

Hello all - I hope you can help. This is a follow up to several other posts about trying to find the origins of McGinnis lines that came to America in the early -mid 1700s. My line is to William McGinnis (born in America in 1750) whose father was most likely Thomas McGinnis who was born in County Down in 1710 according to several public trees. But, we have never found any records tha would prove this. Others on this forum also go back to another son of Thomas, Edward (e.g., Eric Hibler). Because records from this time period are so scarce, I am hoping that DNA evidence might help. Below is a picture from the FTDNA Big Y Block Tree that shows the McGinnis lines I hope to connect (and all of the descendents of these lines are collaborating on the search and in communication with each other). Starting from the left side of the tree, the Leach men have a family story indicating they may descend from orphans (McGinnis?) who were indentured to a Leach family and then took on that name; The next box is my own line that includes my brother William; Next is the Houtrouw box - Steve was born McGinnis but was given up for adoption early in his childhood; The next two boxes of McGinnis men all have roots back to Ireland through a James McGinnis born in Londonderry (1749) or a James McGinnis born in Londonderry in 1715, or a James Magennis born 1750 in Londonderry. This last one is of great interest, because that DNA test comes from a person who still lives in the Londonderry area (Faughanvale parish) where his family has always been.

So, given all this information, we all hope to find a common ancestor but do realize it may not be easy to find. Based on the SNP analyses, it may be back into the 1300s where our common ancestor lived. Regardless - if any Xo readers have ideas or suggestions for us to pursue, the whole group would appreciate them.

Thanks,

David McGinnis

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David,

There are hardly any paper records for baptisms in Co Down c 1710. As you are evidently aware the chances of identifying William’s origins from paper records in Ireland are close to nil. DNA seems likely to be the only way you may make a match.

You haven’t said what denomination William was. However the vast majority of migrants from Ireland in the 1700s were Presbyterian plus some Church of Ireland.  The Roman Catholic population didn’t start migrating in significant numbers until the 1800s. So the name, the location, the timing of their departure and their likely denomination point to Plantation settler roots, probably from Scotland. Typically they would have arrived in Ireland in the 1600s, when some 200,000 Scots made the very short journey across. I mention that because if that is your family background, they may only have lived in Ireland for 2 or 3 generations and you might expect to see some Scottish connections in their DNA. (Half of today’s population in Co Down would have similar roots).

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks Elwyn - I agree with your thoughts.  They ended up in the Methodist church 100 years after emigration, but I do not know what they were in Ireland.  The one person on the tree that I mentioned is from Derry's Farughnvale parish is Roman Catholic.  The other McGinnis families who emigrated that I am knowedgable of were Protestant.  It is all such a mystery.  I am hoping that someone might know a family story that a number of McGinnis families all left Ireland around the same time to go to America.

 

Dave

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Dave,

It is a very common surname. If you take the 1901 Irish census, and play about with the alternative spellings (Maginis, Magines, McGuinness, McKinness etc etc) there look to be between 3000 and 4000 people of that surname. All over the country. Tricky to link them up and I am sure many aren’t related at all.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hello again - I want to add some information to this line of discussion.  Last week, I had some DNA matches from MyHeritge that suggested a 3rd-5th cousin living in the UK.  While their tree was private, I was able to search their shared matches and they all converged to an Alexander McGinnis born in 1865.  Locations included Limavady, Ballykelly, and Carnamuff if I remember correctly.  Since my line was in America since at lest 1750, a birth in 1865 is probably 5 generations of so distant - so a 5th cousin could be possible if my ancestor had siblings who stayed in Ireland.  On another forum, the following message appears:

Hi K3 yes the headstone refers to Alexander Mcguinness and his wife Susan Leech. The Alexander on the headstone is the son also of the Alexander (Alick) Mcguinness died 1862 and Susan died also 1862 I have not been able to find out her maiden name and probably will not either as records do not cover the time of her marriage or birth. They had one daughter Margaret-Ann Mcguinness my great great grandmother and four sons in total Alexander who married Susan Leech, John who married Margaret-Ann Hegarty and James and Charles I'm not sure if these two survived got married or left Ireland. I hope I have been helpfull and haven't been complicated in my reply. Best regards Raymond

That post and McGinnis-Leech connection is very interesting, because on the BigY tree, two men named Leech share the branch next to mine.  This is the first time I've seen any possible connection between the two family names.

Any thoughts or comments???

Thanks, Dave

 

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dmginnis, 

I am reaching out to you because my sister and I have verified our McGinnis line through our great great great grandfather. John Arthur McGinnis (1799–1879) married Mary Mintle (1809–1891), in Lebanon, Warren County, Ohio Nov. 1827. In the 1870 census, John Arthur reports he was born in Maryland, and his father was 'foreign-born.'
The McGinnis/Mintle 1827 marriage is the last documentation we have on our tree that is a known fact. All of our McGinnis direct line—mentioned here—are buried in the Center Grove Cemetery, Lincolnville, Wabash County, Indiana .John Arthur McGinness (1799–1879) John Arthur McGinnis (1837–1913) Henry Ward McGinnis (1861–1952) Loyd McGinnis (1886–1967) and our own father, Jerold W. McGinnis (1911–2006). 

Our leading question: We have seen our John Arthur McGinnis connected to James McGinnis and Temperance Irvin, Grainger Co, Tennessee. 
We have found evidence these connections are incorrect. 1.) two sons named John are listed for James McGinnis, one born 1797 and one born 1799 (ours).
2.) Nancy McGinnis is shown as being born in Tennessee weeks apart from our John McGinnis born in Maryland.

I am eager to connect, citing your statement about the McGinnis family that went through Tennessee to Wabash, Indiana where we grew up. 
Knowing how hard this search has become, I am hopeful you may be willing to share information about our [possible] connections. 

Cheers,
Melanie McGinnis

 

Melanie McGinnis

Hello Melanie - thanks for posing an interesting question.  I know of none of my own direct family who settled in Indiana - most of my line went from Kentucky to Ohio and then to other states as the American frontier expanded westward.  Regardless, I would like to pursue this with you further.  My direct email is david.mcginnis1969@gmail.com.  I am off to Ireland later this week to work in the Dublin archives and then spend some time in McGinnis territory in Derry with a Y-DNA cousin, many generations removed.  I look forward to working together to see what we can find out.

Cheers,

Dave

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Hello Melanie, Dave, Elwin, et al

My name is Paula Duncan Adams.  I was adopted.  My biological father was Albert Meginness of Watsonville, CA who died in 1975. We are decendant from the line that Dave showed interest, that was written about by John F Meginness in his book, "Origin and History of the Magennis family"  We all have much interest in the two brothers that came to America in the mid 1700's:  James Baker McGinnis born in Londonderry abt 1749 (1750?) and Samuel McGinness born abt 1740 in Tyrone.  They landed in Delaware and settled in Pennsylvania.  Thie children blazed trails across America but no one knows much about them.  I don't really do "social media" however, I felt compelled to post information that I found on public sites.  Since I don't have any ancestry accounts I'm sure that there's more out there but I mostly glean from what others have discovered.

I do have information on a KY/Ind connection that I felt I should share.  I don't know if it helps or not but, members of a branch of the McGinnis family were in Ky and Indiana.  I found this information, oddly, on a history of Iowa.  I found "The Biographical History of Shelby and Audubon Counties Iowa" for free on Google Play Books.  In "The History of Shelby County", P342 is a blurb on Reverend Willian McGinness, a founder in the area.

"Rev. William McGinness is on of the prominent pioneers of Shelby County, having been identified with it's history since 1856.  He is a native of Kentucky, born in Campbell County, September 25, 1814.  He is a son of William and Mary (Mitcheltree) McGinness.  The father was born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and was a son of Samuel McGinness who came to this country with eleven brothers and cousins and settled in Philidelphia.  Here Samuel McGinness followed the trade of a baker until the beginning of the revolutionary war, when he enlisted in the defense of his adopted country; he served five years and six months under General Washington.  The father of our subject, William McGinness, was reared in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and was there married to Mary Mitcheltree, a daughter of George Mitcheltree, who came from County Tyrone, Ireland, when Mary, (Mrs. McGinness) was a young lady.  William McGinness and wife resided in Pennsylvania until after the birth of their two children, when they emigrated to Nicholas County, and thence to Campbell County, Kentucky in 1811, where they resided until 1817.  They then moved to Swizerland County, Indiana, and afterward to Hancock County, Indiana, where the mother died in 1831 and the father in 1833.  They were the parents of ten children, five sons and five daughters, of whom William is the youngest.  Our subject was reared to farming persuits, and resided with his parents until their deaths, when he inherited the home place.  Here he lived until 1837, with exception of one year spent on the Ohio River.  In March, 1838, he started west, coming up the Mississippi River and landing in Pine Creek.  He settled in the Blackhawk purchase, then, Wisconsin Territory, which was organized into Iowa Territory the following fourth of July.  Afterward, he took up claim in what is now Linn County, and broke and improved fifty acres, which he sold in 1839.  William McGinness was married May 2, 1840 to Miss Mary Donehoo, a native of Clayborn County, Virginia, and a daughter of John and Keziah (Yehne) Donehoo.  In 1839 Mrs. McGinness parents moved to Iowa.  After his marriage William McGinness engaged in the saw-mill business, and in 1844 he removed to Wapello County, Iowa, where he took a claim, which he improved and sold, and again entered 200 acres of wild land in Adams Township, and improved the place, and resided upon it until 1852.  He then started west, going to Kainesville, now Council Bluffs, with four yoke of oxen, which were stolen from him.  He there bought a claim and sold it, rented land, and earned the money with which he bought his present farm in Shelby County.  The farm contained 140 acres, and cost $6.60 per acre.  In the fall of 1856 Mr. McGinnis moved into a cabin on his place, which already sheltered one family, and thirteen people lived in this cabin, 12x14 feet.  Here Mr. McGinness has since resided, improving his place, and making a comfortable home.  In 1858 he was licensed to preach in the Methodist Episcopal church, which he joined in 1833.  He is one of the pioneer preachers, and has held services in thirty-five school-houses, in the old court-house, and in the churches.  He has organized three classes.  He has been present at the celebration of ournational independence, July 4th, since 1833; at that time there were only three people to celebrate.  In 1861 he went to Central City, Colorado, and returned the following fall.  Mr. and Mrs. McGinness are the parents of ten children--two sons and eight daughters.  Eight lived to maturity, and five still survive--Mary, Emily, Sarah (deceased), Henry M., John A., Nancy J. (deceased), Ellen, Hattie, and one child who died in infancy.  Mr. McGinness has served in local offices of trust and responsibility.  Politically, he affiliates with the Republican Party; he was formerly an old-line Whig, and cast his first presidential vote for Scott."

 

For me, this leaves more questions asked than answered.  Was there another McGinnis family that has become intertwined with ours in history?  Assuming that this is the same Samuel (McGinness?) McGinnis from which I am decended then where are the rest of these "brothers and cousins"?  How many were brothers and how many were cousins?  And did they all arrive together or did some arrive earlier than others?  Why isn't this information available through the ancestry websites?  Hopefully, some of these questions will get answered in the futrue.  In the meantime, I hope this information is helpful.

Paula Duncan Adams

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Hello Melanie, Dave, et al,

My name is Paula Duncan Adams.  I was adopted.  My biological father was Albert Meginness from Watsonville, CA, who died in 1975.  We are decended from the Samuel McGinnis line written about in the "Origin And History Of The Magennis Family" by John F Meginness.  I believe there is a connection between Kentucky and Indiana in that family tree. 

I am sorry if I am short on info here, I just wrote a long post, which was dropped (two actually) so, after having used up a lot of my time, I shall be brief.

 In the "Biographical History of Shelby and Audubon Counties, Iowa", (which you can download free from Google Play Books) on page 342 "History Of Shelby County" is a short bio of Reverend William McGinness.  I would go into further details but don't want to lose my post again.  I suggest anyone interested in the William and Mary (Mitcheltree) line read it.  Reverend William McGinness is their son and the grandson of Samuel McGinnis. 

I hope this helps answer some of the questions thusfar.  This document brought up more questions than answers for me.  It says Samuel came to this country with eleven brothers and cousins.  Hopefully, someday, all of our questons will be answered.

Paula Duncan Adams

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Thanks for you reply Paula - I am sorry to be so late to notice it.  I looked at the bio of Reverend William McGinness and did not recognize any common ground.  However, my father was born in Audubon county in 1919 - and I think his parents moved there in the 1880s.  So, maybe there was some sort of distant family connection.

Cheers,

Dave McGinnis

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My family may be connected to Thomas, b 1710 in County Down. I have my tree traced back to a William Mcginnis, b 1794-96 in NC who married Charlotte Cobb in 1816 in NC. He had a son, Thomas, born in GA in 1841, my g-g-grandfather. 

Scottmcginnis

Beyond John Arthur McGinness (1799–1879), my line remains nearly impossible to trace. John Arthur McGinnis (1837–1913) had a son, Henry Ward McGinnis (1861–1952), who bought land in Polk Township, Huntington County, Indiana. This is my current research pin on a map. These McGinness (McGinnis) guys may, in some distant way, be connected to Grainger County, Tennessee, or Kentucky, but so far, no evidence points to either.

As always, I am grateful, and remain hopeful, that this series of posts will reveal a gem.

Thank you, everyone. Keep posting. I may not always be timely, but I am determined!

—Melanie McGinnis Kaye

23 Feb 2025

Melanie McGinnis

Hi all - this is primarily a response to Paula Duncan Adams - I've copied below a section of the history of Audubon County Iowa that includes a lot of information about my family lineage. My oldest proven ancestor is highlighted in Green and I believe him to be one of the four brothers described in the Meginness book chapter The Kentucky Branch. Given the close proximity of your Reverend McGinnis to my Audubon McGinnis families, I really wonder if they were related and may have been part of a chain migration to the same region in Iowa.

Cheers,

Dave McGinnis

SOURCE:

OF AUDUBON COUNTY IOWA ITS PEOPLE INDUSTRIES AND INSTITUTIONS, HF ANDREWS Editor With Biographical Sketches of Representative Citizens and Genealogical Records of Many of the Old Families ILLUSTRATED 1915 BF BOWEN & COMPANY Inc Indianapolis Indiana HISTORY

LOUIS E TRAMP Among the families of Audubon county whose members have worthily discharged their duties to their fellows and to their community no family takes higher rank than that of the Tramps who are today prominently identified with the business and social life of Audubon and the county at large For many years the members of this family have stood for all that is best in business educational moral and social life They have wielded an influence that has been potential in the development and welfare of Audubon county and the various members are numbered among the enterprising and progressive citizens of this county Because of the prominence which the family has enjoyed in manufacturing circles and in the business life of this county the close relations which they have sustained to the welfare and

prosperity of this community they are eminently entitled to representation in a work of this character Louis E Tramp a worthy representative of the second generation of the family in this county and the successor to the flourishing business established by his father Charles L Tramp was born on March 22 1880 in Bloomington Illinois son of Charles L and Augusta D Damaska Tramp Louis E Tramp was not yet a year old when the family moved to Audubon in 1881 He was educated in the Audubon schools completing the high school course and worked for his father at making brick from the time he was a small boy When twenty one years of age he and his brother purchased their father's brick plant and have since been engaged in operating that business On October 12 1905 Louis E Tramp was married to Anna L McGinnis daughter of Lewis A and Lavenia Hoak McGinnis to which union four children have been born Worth W Paul E Harold M who died at the age of three years and William D Louis E Tramp is a Mason having attained to the chapter in that order He also is an Odd Fellow and has attained to the encampment of that order and is likewise a member of the Modern Woodmen of America and of the Eastern Star In his political views he is in conformance with the policies of the Republican party and gives a good citizen's attention to the political affairs of the county Lewis A McGinnis father of Mrs Tramp who is now living retired in Audubon this county was born on a farm in Champaign county Ohio November 8 1845 a son of William Lewis and Sarah Harbor McGinnis natives of Kentucky and Ohio respectively the former of whom was born in 1802 and died in 1882 and the latter of whom was born in 1807 and died in 1875 William Lewis McGinnis was the son of William McGinnis a native of Kentucky and a soldier of the War of 1812 whose parents migrated to that state from Pennsylvania. William Lewis and Sarah Harbor McGinnis were married in Ohio and spent the rest of their lives in that state having been sixteen years old when the family settled in Champaign county in 1818 The father of William McGinnis settled in Kentucky before the Revolutionary War and a brother of Simon Kenton the famous pioneer and Indian fighter was his brother in law To William Lewis and Sarah Harbor McGinnis the following children were born Anna deceased William Henry who died in infancy Susanna deceased Samuel H who removed to California in 1858 John N who lives in Illinois Thomas J who died in Kansas and Lewis A the father of Mrs Louis E Tramp.

On April 2 1862 at the age of sixteen years four months and twentyfour days Lewis A McGinnis enlisted at Columbus Ohio in Company A Sixty first Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry and served for three years during the Civil War being discharged at Goldsboro North Carolina on April 3 1865 He fought in the second battle of Bull Run at Chancellorsville and at Gettysburg For eighteen months he was attached to the Army of the Potomac and fought at Freeman's Ford White Sulphur Springs Waterloo Bridge and Fairfax Court House He also was engaged in the battle of Wahatchie Mission Ridge Burnt Hickory Dallas Kenesaw Mountain Peachtree Creek and in the siege of Atlanta From May 1o to September 1 1864 he was under fire constantly He was at Montietti Swamp Georgia Averysboro North Carolina and Bentonville North Carolina His captain was Fred S Wallace and his regimental commanders were Colonel Schleich and Col Stephen J McGroarty The generals in charge of the brigade in which Mr McGinnis served were General Bohlen who was killed at Freeman's Ford General Schimmelpfennig General Tindale and Colonel Robinson The division commanders were Gen Carl Schurz Gen AS Williams and Gen Ward During the battle of Bull Run Mr McGinnis was under General Sigel and also served under Gen Joe Hooker Gen OO Howard and Gen HW Slocum While in the Army of the Potomac he was under Gen John Pope General McClellan General Burnside and Gen George Gordon Meade Subsequently he was transferred to the Army of the West and served under General Thomas Returning home after the war he farmed for some time and in 1877 moved to Illinois residing for some time in Vermilion county that state In 1901 he sold out his holdings there and came to Audubon county locating in Audubon the county seat where he is living a retired life Mr McGinnis served as deputy county clerk of Audubon county and was elected county clerk in 1908 on the Republican ticket and was re-elected in 1910 serving altogether four years retiring on January 1 1913 Mr McGinnis is a member of the Methodist Episcopal church and fraternally is a member of the Ancient Free and Accepted Masons the Independent Order of Odd Fellows the Modern Woodmen of America and the Order of the Eastern Star On September 13 1870. Lewis A McGinnis was married to Lavenia Hoak of Champaign county Ohio who was born on August 27 1849 daughter of Lemuel and Lucretia Hoak to which union the following children were born Gilbert who died in 1876 Oron C who lives in Los Angeles California Mrs May Gray of Greenville Texas Mr Cora L Barnett who lives in Rush county Indiana southeast of Indianapolis Mrs Anna L Tramp and Lewis L who lives at Waseca Minnesota.

The Audubon Brick Company was started by Charles L Tramp in the spring of 1882 He continued to operate the plant until in March 1901 when it was taken charge of by Louis E and Charles A Tramp his sons who operated it until July 1902 when Charles A sold out to his brother Benjamin F who with Louis E has continued to operate the plant since that time In November 1909 a new and greatly enlarged plant was erected on the east side of the Nishnebotna comprising four kilns each with a capacity of fifty thousand bricks the factory and drying shed covering an area of fifty two by a hundred and two feet two floors The steam dryer has a capacity of a hundred and sixty thousand three inch drain tile and there is a dryer fifty three by one hundred and thirty feet with a capacity of ninety thousand three inch drain tile The third dryer fifty two by a hundred feet has a capacity of forty five thousand bricks The operating department is run by a seventy five horse power engine with two boilers having a capacity of one hundred and thirty horse power the equipment being modern in every respect and practically new An average of twenty men are employed The output is shipped over Iowa Nebraska Missouri and surrounding states The firm manufactures building brick drain tile and building tile and manufactures one million five hundred thousand bricks annually Louis E Tramp occupying the position of general manager Charles L Tramp who established the above business and who is now retired was born on February 20 1846 in the city of Waren in Germany the son of Frederick and Fredericka Tramp Frederick Tramp was born in 1817 and died in 1879 He was a brickmaker by trade and also learned the trade of a hand loom linen weaver in Germany He came to America in the spring of 1855 landing in New York city on May 28 and reached Chicago on June 7 From Chicago he went to Long Grove Lake county Illinois and on June 14 settled in Halfday six miles south of Libertyville and lived there until 1856 in which year the moved to Bloomington Illinois remaining there until 1868 when he moved to Atlanta Illinois where he started a small brick yard There he resided and manufactured brick until 1874 in which year he moved to Lincoln Logan county Illinois and manufactured brick for seven years or until his death in 1880 Frederick and Fredericka Tramp were the parents of six children as follows Mrs Louisa Siebert who lives at Bloomington Illinois Charles I who is referred to here variously Mrs Henrietta Hecker who lives at Audubon this county Harmon who lives in Louisiana Missouri Mrs Helen Dixon who lives at Hastings Nebraska and LW who lives at Kansas City Missouri Charles L Tramp moved to Audubon this county with his family in 534 AUDUBON COUNTY IowA

December 1880 and as soon as possible engaged in the manufacture of building brick manufacturing practically all of the brick used in the building of Audubon He also manufactured the first tile in Audubon county and brought the first tile machinery to this county He was actively engaged in the manufacture of brick until 1901 On November 3 1870 Charles L Tramp was married to Augusta Damaska a native of Germany born in 1847 who came to America in 1855 with her parents She died on November 4 1883 leaving seven children namely William and Harry who live at Creston Iowa Lillie the wife of Charles Poulson of Seattle Washington Charles a commercial traveler who lives at Creston Iowa Louis E and Benjamin F who live at Audubon and Virgil who lives at Tulsa Oklahoma On September 11 1909 Charles L Tramp married secondly Mrs Jennie Howard Wilson widow of Milo C Wilson of Nebraska who was born in Columbia county Wisconsin in 1850 the daughter of William and Adeline Bennett Howard natives of Kentucky and Indiana respectively William Howard died in Wisconsin and his widow thereafter lived with a daughter in Nebraska where her last days were spent AUDUBON COUNTY IOW A 535

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