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John Singleton Black

Although I haven't yet done a thorough search on some of my Armagh Ancestors, there is one question which someone might help me with meanwhile.

John Singleton Black married Elizabeth (surname indecipherable) and had a son name John b 1863. John snr and John jnr went to live in Greenock Scotland and appear in the 1871 census. By this time John has remarried. I would like to know something about his firstmarriage, particularly, of course, the name of the wife.

Background - for information only. Thomas Paterson and Ann Blakely were from Armagh (though I haven't got their marriage date). Their daughter Elizabeth m Thomas Paterson in Shankill, Lurgan, in 1858 and moved to Greenock Scotland.

I don't have the date of Thomas Singleton's death, but Ann would have a son, named John Singleton Black b 1843 in Armagh, to John Black. It is possible that John was Thomas Singleton's son but born after the second marriage, hence the middle name of Singleton, but John Black is named on John jnr death cert as the father.

CORRECTION: Ann's first husband was Thomas Singleton and John Black was her second husband. I got them the wrong way round.

At some stage, John S and Ann Black have moved to Greenock where Ann would die in 1880. I have attached a copy of John's death cert showing the name of his wives (I've followed through on the second wife) but I can't read the name of the first one.

Regards

Sheena

sheenamac

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Sheena,

A John Black married Elizabeth Archer in Armagh in 1854:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09474/5433481.pdf

Another John Black married Eliza Cully on 8.6.1855, again in Co Armagh

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09474/5433481.pdf

Another John Black married Eliza McComb on 13.7.1852.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

They were the only John Black – Elizabeth/Eliza marriages I could see in Armagh between 1845 and 1863. The first wife’s name on the death certificate looks a bit like Trouton (a name that is found in Armagh but I couldn’t see a marriage for that couple).

Statutory birth registration didn't start in Ireland till 1864 so if John junior was born in 1863 you won’t find a birth certificate for him. You might find his baptism but you would need to know where it took place to do that.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Elwyn.  Trouton certainly fits better doesn't it.  Mind you, as you know, errors can be made on death certificates because often the family don't know the details.  I've been trying to find more about John jnr to try and find his mother's name, but I've had no success.  He appears on the 1871 Greenock census but I haven't found him in later censuses.  I could expend a bit of money trying just to satisfy curiosity.

 

Sheena

sheenamac

Thank you Elwyn.  Trouton certainly fits better doesn't it.  Mind you, as you know, errors can be made on death certificates because often the family don't know the details.  I've been trying to find more about John jnr to try and find his mother's name, but I've had no success.  He appears on the 1871 Greenock census but I haven't found him in later censuses.  I could expend a bit of money trying just to satisfy curiosity.

 

Sheena

sheenamac

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