Have hit a stop here. Any assistance is appreciated regarding John Mcfall and wife Ann McCormick. Thank you
Birth
1 Jan 1867 • drumack, resharkin parish, Antrim Parish, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Father: John is a Farmer Dumack, Plot 8 1864 thru 1881
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1867
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Birth (Alternate)
1 Jan 1867 • Dirraw, Antrim, Ireland
Father: John is a Farmer Dumack, Plot 8 1864 thru 1881
There are transcriptions of the baptismal records of two children of this couple listed on rootsireland:
Church Baptism Record
NAME: JOHN MCFALL
Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 13-Jan-1867
Address: Drummuck
Parish/District: RASHARKIN
Gender: Male
County Co. Antrim
Denomination: Roman Catholic
FATHER: JOHN MCFALL
MOTHER: ANN MCCORMACK
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel Mchenry
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Rose Mccormack
Notes:
NAME: DANIEL MCFALL
Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 20-Mar-1869
Address: Drummuck
Parish/District: RASHARKIN
Gender: Male
County Co. Antrim
Denomination: Roman Catholic
FATHER: JOHN MCFALL
MOTHER: ANN MCCORMACK
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John Mckiernan
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Ellen Steel
Notes:
REV H MCCANN.
I could not find a marriage record for the couple on rootsireland.
The son John died at Drumack in 1899. Mother Ann was the informant:
He was married to Rose Ann McVeigh on 5.9.1894 at Garvagh.
According to a tree on Ancestry they had a son John born 24.12.1895 in Bellshill, Lanarkshire, so presumably John had been working there (as many from Co. Antrim did).
There’s a couple of possible deaths for the father John, both in 1869. One aged 45, the other 85. The 45 year old is obviously the more likely. That year is not viewable on-line free yet. You need to pay to view it on the GRONI site.
Here’s Ann in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Killoquin_North/Drumack/946588/
Ann died in 1903:
Drumack is in the RC parish of Rasharkin but there is a connection with Finvoy. The Rasharkin baptism and marriage records start in 1848, Finvoy in 1860 (marriages 1877). My guess is that your couple were married in Finvoy and this accounts for there being no record of their marriage or of any children before 1867. No easy way round that.
Daniel McFall died in 1879, aged 10.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…
Thank you to all. The information is of great help. I previously could not determine death of gggrandfather John and Ann nor how my grandfather was born in Scotland when parents died in Ireland. Now, any assistance to go back earlier in time? Thanks to all and have a Happy New Year.
Thank you to all. The information is of great help. I previously could not determine death of gggrandfather John and Ann nor how my grandfather was born in Scotland when parents died in Ireland. Now, any assistance to go back earlier in time? Thanks to all and have a Happy New Year.
I think you will find getting back any further pretty well impossible. There are almost no records for the Rasharkin area to consult. About a half of the 1851 census of Rasharkin has survived. There is 1 McFall (McFale) household listed in Magheraboy which is about three quarters of a mile south of Drumack. They could be connected to yours. I can’t say. But otherwise I really don’t have any other leads.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1851/Antrim/Kilconway/Rasharkin/Magheraboy/38/
One McCormick family in Rasharkin village in 1851:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1851/Antrim/Kilconway/Rasha…
Thank you for yourinformation and efforts. The John McFall born at Bellshill is my grandfather. Wonder if he was born in Scotland if bhe retained his Ireland citizenship?
Doug
Doug,
When John was born in Scotland in 1895 there was no such thing as Irish citizenship. Britain and Ireland were all the one country until 1922. In terms of strict nationality, in 1895, he was just British. (Someone might perceive themselves as Scottish, English, Welsh or Irish but they were ethnic groups not a nationality. If they needed a passport the only one they could get was British).
Irish citizenship was created after 1922 and to be eligible, you either have to be born in any part of Ireland (including what is now Northern Ireland) or have a parent or grandparent born there. (It doesn't extend to great grand-parents). John had both parents & grandparents born in Ireland and so would certainly have been eligible for an Irish passport, once they had been invented. He would also still qualify for a British passport as well. Dual citizenship.
You are obviously curious as to why the couple went to Scotland. Ireland lacks natural resources. No coal, oil, iron ore etc, and so apart from a modest amount of shipbuilding in Belfast and the Belfast linen mills (which mostly only employed women), it did not really get the industrial revolution that benefited England and Scotland where mills, steelworks, ship building, coal mining and all their support industries were major employers creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. Much better paid than subsistence farming or weaving. Added to that you had the effects of a massive population explosion in Ireland – up from 3 million in 1750 to 8 million in 1841 (no-one is really sure of the reasons why but reduced neo-natal deaths seem to be a factor) and the famine. So some push factors and some pull factors saw huge numbers of people leave Ireland. Something like 8 million people emigrated from Ireland between 1801 & 1921.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/emigration-Ireland-19th-century.html
If you look at the Scottish censuses for the Glasgow area in the late 1800s, you will see that about every fifth person recorded there was born in Ireland. Scotland was a particularly popular place to go to work because it was easy and very cheap to get to. Several sailings every day from Belfast. The shipping companies main business was cargo and the passengers were just top-up revenue. Competition was fierce and passenger fares very low. People working in Scotland could come home for weddings or the harvest, as well as holidays (Glasgow used to shut down for 2 weeks every July, known as the Glasgow Fair holiday and there would then be a huge exodus to Ireland). You could also send children back to stay with their grandparents, thereby leaving the wife free to work. You couldn’t do all those things so easily from Australia, America or Canada.
Scotland today is full of people of Irish descent. How they see themselves obviously varies from person to person but after 3 or 4 generations most see themselves as Scottish. But for someone whose parents were born in Ireland the link with Ireland would be much stronger. I’d guess that’s how it was for John born in Bellshill.