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John Brindley, Templederry, Tipperary

Hi everyone,

I am a new member and I hope to find some answers so I can prepare my trip in Ireland efficiently (when the pandemic will be over)

I am looking for a John Brindley (gggfather) who was born in 1812 in Ireland. (1871 Canadian Census and Passenger list)

He married Mary Costello August 1st 1847 in Templederry, Nenagh, Tipperary, (Found it in Ancestry and Roots Ireland).  No parents named but a witness Winifred Costello. Mary might be catholic. 

An interested thing is they had also a marriage one day before same place but at the Church of England.  So I presumed that John might be not catholic.  Coolagh was his adress.  The witness Joseph John Bromell.

John and Mary had 3 children born in Ireland but I could not found where they were born.

John Hubert born in 1848 (1871 Canadian Census and Passenger list)

Henry Brindley born 1850

Margaret born 1856

They arrived in Canada September 22, 1866 by the boat St-Andrew from Londonderry.  

I would like to find were John father was born and Mary Costello parents and family.  I don't know anything about her except that the witness at her marriage maybe relative. 

I would like also find where John Hubert, Margaret and Henry were born and lived.

I am a member of Ancestry, My Heritage, and Roots Ireland.

Thank you very much for your time and help.  

Irene

Irene

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Hello Irene, If you look at the Church of Ireland marriage record, the one you found on Roots Ireland, you will see that John was living in Coolagh, Tipperary, and Mary in Killanife

glanvil3@aol.com

Hello Irene,

As you know, the Church of Ireland marriage record shows that John was living in Coolagh townland and that Mary was living in "Killaniffe," which I believe was Kilnaneave. These townlands are likely the places where they were born, but as there were no birth records at that time, you can't be sure. But as transportation was limited at the time, people generally spent most of their lives living close to where they were born.

If you search Griffiths Valuation (askaboutireland), you can see a John Brindley in Coolagh and a Mrs. Winifred Costello in Kilnaneave.

You might also check the Tithe Applotment list to see if the families were in the same townlands then.

Happy hunting.

glanvil3@aol.com

Irene:

I believe it was a mixed marriage. Non- Roman Catholic marriages were required to be civilly registered in 1845. RC marriages started in 1864. I searched on the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie and found a civil record for the July 31 1847 Church of Ireland marriage. The record is faint   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

The record shows that John Brindley was from Coolagh in Ballynaclogh civil parish and his father was also John Brindley. He was 21 or older.

Mary Costello was a minor so less than 21. Her father was John Costello.It appears that Mary was from Curraghgraigue townland in Kilnaneave civil parish which is just south of Ballynaclogh parish.

The 1850 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Ballynaclogh parish shows john Brindley in Coolagh   https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tipperary/ballynaclogh.htm

The 1850 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Kilnaneave parish shows a Mrs. Winifred Costello in Curraghgraigue possibly she was the grandmother of Mary.

https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tipperary/kilnaneave.php

Since John Brindley was living in Coolagh in 1850, I think it is likely that the children were baptized into the Church of Ireland parish at Ballynaclogh and unfortunately for you, records for that parish were destroyed in the 1922 Public Records Office fire in Dublin. 

I could not find a baptismal record for John Brindley so possibly he was also baptized at the Ballynaclogh C of I church.

The Templederry/Kilnaneave RC parish baptismal records start in 1840 which is too late for a record for Mary who was likely baptized 1827-1830.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Patricia for the informations.
Mr McDonnell wow this is more that I was expecting. Now I can take a map and put them in some places and check the history. I will go at these 2 places for sure.

Question Brindley doesn't sound Irish...what do you think? Brindley get married with a Gallagher in Canada. I've read about the Gallagher. I can see it is going back to 10th century.

Thank you kindly Roger and Patricia

Regards

Irene

Irene

Irene:

Found this reference:

Brindley Family History

Brindley Name Meaning

English (chiefly Cheshire, Staffordshire, and southern Lancashire): habitational name from a place in Cheshire named Brindley, from Old English berned ‘burnt’ + leah ‘woodland clearing’.

Source: Dictionary of American Family Names ©2013, Oxford University Press

In the mid-19th century, there were 20 Brindley households in Ireland, eighteen were in Co. Tipperary and one each in Co. Dublin and Co. Offaly.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi,

I've checked the griffith valuation and I have a few questions If I give a look at the original
1. After the name of John Brindley I see esq...so he was kind of what middle class man? More important or something?
2. Balleyquiveen: I can see he rented 97 acres from Very Rev Dean Head and it seems the chapel of Rev Edward mc graph was in the land he rented and then he seems to rent at 3 guys : Hussey, Quinn and Finney
3. Then at Coolagh he rent from the same reverend 117 more
Is my analysis of the griffith valuation is correct?

Same for Winifred Costello who rent land from Lord Listowell and then she rent back and then she rented 80 acres in Killavalla

Thank you for your help

Irene

Irene

Irene:

info on esquire  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquire

Since John Brindley's father was alive in 1847, he likely was alive in 1850 and one or both of the land holdings were held by the father.

I think you interpreted the Griffiths data correctly.

Roger

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

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