James Ryan Shinrone Offaly

Hi Mary . . . 

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out . . . to the Tipperary / Offaly border . . . close to Gloster House.

I'm not sure . . . how we with " Certainty "  add to your search . . . but here's what I found . . . 

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I searched Roots Ire. . . ( a paid site )

for the Wedding of James Ryan  . . . his Son James having been born in 1846 . . .I searched 

1845 +/- 5 yrs .. .  and because Gloster sits on the Offaly - Tipperary County border . . I searched both Counties . . .

This threw up 70 possibles . . . and RYAN's of Tipperary ( of course ) predominate . . . 

So . . being from this area myself  . . . I had to weed out . . . those with no revelance . . . 

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The following (see below ) . . . I thought were " possibles " . . . which would merit your further research . . . 

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Ryan - Butson . . . were married in EGLISH . . . which is close to BIRR

Ryan - Wed.1842  . . in KILCOLMAN . . . +++++ ...Kilcolman is a Parish  . . . in the " Gloster House " proximity . . . +++++

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As you may know . . . Gloster . . .is situated . . . between the Towns of Roscrea and Birr . . . so I picked up on the BIRR weddings . . 

Ryan wedding 1848 .. Birr (below). . . 1848 being later than Thomas's birth . . . . not strong . . . 

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Two more " possibles " . . are Weddings registered in DUNKERRIN,Co,Offaly . . as follows

Ryan - Tierney . . .1849 . . .  (below) . . .  again . . . later than Thomas's birth . . .  not strong  . . . 

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From my research . . . the . . . strongest hint  . . .would point to the KILCOLMAN . . .1842 wedding . . . 

But . . . that's yours . . . to research further . . . 

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I will have a further look at this again . . . given more time  . . . 

For now . . . Cheers . . . Eamonn.

 

So Mary . . .  back to the hunt for James Ryan . . . born in OFFALY . . .circa  . . 1815 - 1825 . . . 

Roots . . . turned up . . ONLY . . 3 possibles . . . of which . . 2 are of interest  . . . ( below)

This James is born . . .in Gurteen, Offaly . . 1825 . .  . Mother Bridget Canny . . .GORTEEN (spelling) . . .  DUNKERRIN

the designation . . of the above . . has to be a mis-spelling . .  Gorteen . . is a location way up in  North Offaly . . 

whereas . . tthere is a Gurteen . . . located in proximity to GLOSTER . . . but  . . . 

why Baptise your child in Dunkerrin . . . when Roscrea was only 2 miles distance ???

MAP - Gurteen (below)

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Next . . . James born 1822 . . to Margaret Ahern . . . registered in Dunkerrin . . . 

Address here is given as " Kilmain " . . .( see Map ) . . . Kimain is NOT close to Gloster . . . but still Dunkerrin is the Church of registration . . why . . ???

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Somewhere . . in all of the above . . . is your JAMES . . . but . . . which one . . . ???

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Now . . . about "Gloster " . . . see. . . http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=3383

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A little bit of local history . . . 

You asked about Ledgers . . of former Employees . . . 

Possibly they MIGHT be lodged . . with the National Library of ireland - Dublin . . . 

The Lloyd Family . . finally vacated the House and property . . circa 1960'ies . . . 

They had . . for the longest time . . . been breeding " Polo Ponies " for the Royals in the U.K.

Two famous guests . . of note . . had visited Gloster . . .Dame Nellie Melba . . . famous Australian Singer ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellie_Melba

there is a beautiful balcony in the Grand House . . . from where she sang for her Hosts . . . and to this day . . there is a a rather famous Nightclub in Birr . . a.k.a. Melba's

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The other notable guest . . . was . . John Wesley . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley

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After the Lloyds . . . the Estate . . . was bought by an Order of Nuns . . . Silesions . . who founded a Convent for the education of young Ladies . . .

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AND . . . finally . . . to add to confusion . . . 

I searched " Griffiths Valuation " . . . (1847 - 1864) . . . a TAX roll of Property Holders . . . 

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=33&Submit.y=10&familyname=Ryan&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=KING%27S&unionname=&parishname=KILCOLMAN

and here you find " Daniel " Ryan . . . reg, in KILCOLMAN . . . and this can lead you . . map wise . . to the exact property holding 

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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0762 . . . . contact . . . Dolores Whyte . . . keeper of the Parish (Dunkerrin) Records . . . 

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Hope this helps with your search . . . 

Cheers . . . Eamonn

 

Hi Mary . . 

You mention the surname " Horan " on your Ancestry .. . . as a query . . . 

YES . . here's a possible connection . . . to Ettagh ( burial ground ) 

Anne Silke ( born HORAN ). . .  ( related ). . .  is a Daughter of John Horan  ..who married Mary Cussen (b.1910)

Mary Cussen . . was a child of the union of . . .Patr..Cussen (b.1880) and  Susanne Quinlan (b.1885)

earlier ancestor names were Hanly and Kennedy . . . 

These earlier families . . lived and worked in the KILCOLMAN area . . .and are buried in Ettagh Cemt..

Cheers . . . Keep digging . . .  

 

Hi again Mary .. 

 

Interesting that you should mention the surname " Marshall " ... I have friends and near neighbours .. who were Marshall's before marriage .. from ( I'm guessing ) .. that district or area .. named ...Marie and Kathleen (Marshall) ... 

Curious question .. where in the World are you residing. ??

 

If ..you wanted me to photo anything in Ettagh .. just ask ..

 

Cheers ..Eamonn