Looking for any info on my great grandfather James Byrne. He owned a bar on Parnell street in Dublin. I believe he was married twice, Catherine and then Ann. My grandfather was Charles Byrne and moved to the USA I believe around 1920ish. Had five siblings. Visited Ireland in 1928 a year before my father was born. I believe he was born in portadown Urban Armagh and 51 Drumgor Kernan Armagh. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I see the family in the 1911 census in the townland of Drumgor. James Byrne was a farmer and JP (Justice of the Peace). Being a JP indicates that he was a person of considerable standing in the community. He would have been authorised to issue search warrants to the police and other similar local administrative matters. So highly respected in the local area.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Kernan/Drumgor/298486/
The 1911 census tells us that James had 6 children and that all were alive in 1911. Annie’s maiden name was Lavery so, Susan, the visitor in 1911 was probably a relation of hers, especially as both were born in Co Antrim.
James’s first wife was Catherine Burrell. They married on 28th July 1892 in Drumcree, Portadown.
Charles Byrne was born to that couple on 21.5.1893 in West St, Portadown. James was a spirit merchant. (He ran a pub).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02308/1865408
Household in West St in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/West_Street/1030695/
Catherine Byrne died on 28.10.1905 as a result of an accidental haemorrhage. There wasn't an inquest. See:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05582/4568063
James Byrne’s second wife was Annie Lavery from Aghagallon, Co Antrim. They married in Belfast on 19.9.1906. James’ father was Charles Byrne, a farmer.
Thank you sooo much. Now just need to go further back.. If you find anything more it would be greatly appreciated This so interesting. Alice Byrne Tortoriello
If you can find out anything regarding Charles it would be appreciated
I do not seem to be able to find out anything about james father Charles any help would be great
Looking at the revaluation records for the farm in Drumgor, I see that James Byrne rented it in 1908. Previous occupant was Emily Seawright. He remained the tenant till 1922 when he was replaced by Mary Wright. It was a 33 acre farm (plots 27a & 27c in the townland).
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/RelatedVolume.aspx?6087
I am not sure I can add anything to your knowledge of Charles life. He is listed as a shop assistant in 1911. But there’s no easy way of locating where he worked. There were no other censuses in Ireland till 1926 so he may not show up in any other records before he left Ireland.
Thank you for the information but I was hoping for more for James' father Charles. The Charles you spoke about was my grandfather and he came to America. But I am unable to go back further for my great great grandfather Charles Byrne.
Sorry I have only today seen this and linked into this website. I am related to you and I know quite a bit about your great grandfather James (he was a brother to my grandafather John). There were 12 born to your great great grandfather Charles and his wife, Elizabeth Hendron. . I have done extensive research on the family and can go back a few more generations for you and link you with existing cousins, in both Ireland and the US. Could you maybe send me an email address or PM me on FB and I can send you my research.
Pat Byrne
Hi,
I am very intersted in James Byrne also as he is my Great Grand Father, my mum is a daughter of his son Kevin. I am intersted in anything you have on the family and the pub that was on Parnell Street.
Thanks in advance!
Belinda
I am very intersted in the history of the pub and if it
Hi Belinda,
Hello to a new cousin!
If you send me an email address I can send you more information as I've done a lot of research on the family of Charles Byrne and Elizabeth Hendron. My grandfather John was your great grandfather's brother. Of your GGF's children I know very little about Kevin or Frank, so maybe you can add your knowledge to the story.
Pat
Hi Pat,
Fantastic, thanks for getting back to me and so quickly. Certaintly my email address is belinda.corby@gmail.com.
It would be great to fit missing jig saw pieces back together again if we can help.
Regards, Belinda
Hey guys
I currently own the westend bar in portadown and I am also looking more information on james byrne what bar he had in Dublin our back bar has been dated to 1700 *( older than the building itself)* I'm also trying to peace everything together xxxx
Hi, James Byrne was my fater's uncle and I have done considerable research on the family history. As far as I can ascertain, James had the West End bar from 1892. Prior to that he had another premesis in Portadown. He also opened a spirit/grocery in Edgarstown in 1898. His Dublin pub was in Parnell Street.
If you contact me with an email address I may be able to help you with some more details. As owner, I assume you have the deeds of the property which could help me in my research too as they may show any other family interests and exactly what dates James was there.
Regards, Pat Byrne
Yeah I have the deeds but my solicter has misplaced them that's because he has never heard of a hard drive his hard drive is 20 filing cabinets shelves and desk lol
Send me everything you have I am selling the bar I can send you pictures and there is a mirror avretisment one that is 10.5ft by 6ft and I want to sell her to the right person hope fully back to the cairns pr the woolseys of castlebellingham shebis over 200 years old all I know as it was made celebratingbthe mergingbof cairn breweries and John woolseys to become castle Bellingham breweries she is the heart of the bar this bar has a soul the back bar still has the original liqur casks and I had it dated and they said definitely 1700s way older than the building itself so it came here from somewhere it was a snug pub but was renovated 20 years ago if I was married to norman then i wouldn't have let him do it but the snugs where taken out but the doors stained glasswas all kept.
I know for a fact that the old bar days are gone it's the end of a era and it broke our hearts to put her up for sale we will have to break it up and sell it piece by peice the glory days are gone. this town used to be buzzing now its dead and this virus was just the nail on the coffin. So I'm looking for to try and find out where the bar can3 from how the mirror came here all the way from County Louth there is a puzzle that by hook or crook I will solve.
Send me everything you have and I will help you with what I have
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Please include me in any pictures you may be sharing. I am interested in anything from my great grandfather james Byrne Alice Byrne
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