Hugh Savage & Mary Carvil. Loughinisland & Ballynahinch

Calla, The transcription of the couple's marriage record on RootsIreland states that Hugh and Mary were both Catholic.

Marriage: 18-Oct-1851

Parish / District: DOWN

County: Co. Down

Husband Wife

Name: Hugh Savage Mary Carvill

Address:

Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic

Witness 1 Witness 2

Name: Thomas Savage Carvill

Church: LOUGHINISLAND Roman Catholic

REV P DORRIAN 0 14 0.

The couple had at least 4 children baptized in Ireland:

Church Baptism Savage William John 1855 Co. Down

Church Baptism Savage Daniel 1857 Co. Down

Church Baptism Savage Ann Jane 1859 Co. Down

Church Baptism Savage Mary 1861 Co. Down

--rootsireland.ie

Sometimes family stories are just that--stories. Sometimes they are partially true. It seems in this case that Hugh and Mary did not have to flee to the UK due to their interfaith marriage being discovered. They were both Catholics. They were in Ireland for at least ten years after their marriage and had many children during that time, which could not have been hidden.

Griffith’s Valuation of County Down in 1864 gives a head of household named Hugh Savage in Loughinisland, in the townland of Seavaghan. 

Savage Hugh     Seavaghan         Loughinisland    Co. Down

Hello

Elwyn, thank you for the details you have provided re: the death of Hugh Savage. I appreciate you looking that information up. He is not my Hugh, as my Hugh died in Liverpool 1884.

Regards

Hello Patricia,

Thank you for the details you have provided re: the Savage/Carvil family. I appreciate you looking that information up. I was aware of Patrick and Ann Jane so really pleased with the additional details of three other children. Only another four to discover. :) Because of the large gap in known birthdates of the 14 children I believed there to be many baptisms in Ireland. 1866 is the earliest date I currently have of a child being baptised outside of Ireland. 1878 being the last birthdate of a child in England, so five known English births in total. Poor Mary spent her whole adult life pregnant. It was a tragic existence losing so many of her children then losing her husband in 1884.

I have seen the original parish record for the marriage of Hugh & Mary. They were not both Catholics. It may state they were on the parish register but as we know, you cannot believe all that you read on any documents, for various reasons. My own original marriage certificate and the original parish record of my parents both have discrepancies. One of which was pointed out on the day but as it had already been written in, the registrar refused to change it without a delay to the marriage, so the error remained on record.

Hugh and Sarah were from Ballynahinch, I can only speculate on their chosen place of marriage. I was told by family that their marriage was a secret but for how long they kept this secret is a mystery. I know they kept their marriage a secret but keeping so many children a secret would have proven nigh on impossible. They remained in Ireland until they had the means to travel to England, where they settled and lived out their days in Liverpool.

During the 1930s one of their daughters and also their grandaughter visited the ancestral seat (so to speak) Ballynahinch. I have a photograph of their visit. Their daughter met and spoke with a lady who definitely looked very similar to herself.

Once again, thank you for your help.

Regards

Hello Patricia

The information you have given below for the four children baptised in Co Down, do you know what parish the baptisms each took place in. Was it Loughinisland? Sorry to be a bother.

The couple had at least 4 children baptized in Ireland:

Church Baptism Savage William John 1855 Co. Down

Church Baptism Savage Daniel 1857 Co. Down

Church Baptism Savage Ann Jane 1859 Co. Down

Church Baptism Savage Mary 1861 Co. Down

Yes!

Thank you, Patricia